9 minutes ago, MR-CYN said:

Him being trotted out week after week basically crippled was criminal. What an embarrassment. Who decides to play a guy that can barely walk? On a team trying to make a back to back run. Was Lurie ok with this? Howie? It's unbelievable. Not just as an affect to the team but his general health and welfare.

I've never seen anyone play this messed up for an entire season continually put in a lineup. Maybe a game or two. Whoever made these decisions, and there's more than one that we know of, needs to be put into a cannon and shot into the Sun.

I'm wondering if this decision had anything to do with Stoutland stepping away from his position. Im not saying it was stouts or it wasn't just thinking it's connected.

There was a large number of us who were saying earlier in the season last year that they should just sit both Jurgens and Dickerson and allow them to get treatment or surgery or whatever was needed to get back to full health. It's why you have backups on the roster. If they sat them early in the season they very well could have gotten to a point by the stretch run that they were much closer to 100% and much more functional. That was as egregious a roster management decision as I've seen in some time (and really that falls squarely on Sirianni ... as the HC he has final say over game day roster).

11 hours ago, eggs said:

Injecting stem cells is like injecting saline- it’s a placebo. There are no proper peer reviewed trials which show statisticalltmsignificant results. That’s why only charlatans treat people and no insurers cover the procedures.

I don't quite agree. I think it can, and has, worked for some people for some conditions. If I had a chronic condition where the only treatment options were surgeries and meds and there was at least the possibility that stem cell therapy could help....you're damn right I'd try it.

3 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

I'm wondering if this decision had anything to do with Stoutland stepping away from his position. Im not saying it was stouts or it wasn't just thinking it's connected.

Good thought.

IMO, it was an Organization decision to play Cam and Landon. And obviously, in hindsight, it was a terrible, horrible decision. Someone should be held responsible for it. Maybe it was Stout, and that's a reason why he left.

I'm speculating.

I'm going on my 10th week post-surgery. And like I said before, the procedure I had was one of the most minor, most routine back procedures you can possibly have.

But if I were an NFL player, I'd never be able to play at the same level again, if at all. I consider the operation a success because I got immediate relief, but I'll never be 100% again.

I don't see how an NFL Center, with unresolved back problems, can line up against 300-pound defensive tackles game after game.

33 minutes ago, JamesK said:

I'm going on my 10th week post-surgery. And like I said before, the procedure I had was one of the most minor, most routine back procedures you can possibly have.

But if I were an NFL player, I'd never be able to play at the same level again, if at all. I consider the operation a success because I got immediate relief, but I'll never be 100% again.

I don't see how an NFL Center, with unresolved back problems, can line up against 300-pound defensive tackles game after game.

You also don't have access to the best trainers, physicians, and strength and conditioning equipment and professionals that an NFL player has. I'm sure your doctor recommended a physical therapy plan specifically for you that included a lot of walking and some mild exercises that, if like most people, you also probably didn't attack with 100% dedication either.

10 weeks obviously is not very much time. If you do what you are supposed to do and maybe a little more on your own, this time next year, you should feel perfectly fine. When you aren't doing certain things because of a back injury and/or surgery, the surrounding muscles will atrophy from less use and you won't feel normal for months because it takes a long time to get the strength back in those areas from normal movement.

Cam Jurgens last week --- "It takes a good year to come back from that," Jurgens said of his 2025 surgery. "I'm starting to feel really good."

Everyone needs to realize that spine surgery is not like an ACL repair. There is some degree of variation, but it's a little ligament. You tear it. Surgeon repairs it. /story. The recovery is reliable and predictable.

Back surgery...there are 20 different ways a specified surgery can be done. Every discectomy varies in how much bone is drilled off to access the disc and how much muscle is destroyed to access the bone. Those variations are based on the location of the disc, the other anatomy of the spine, the comfort of the surgeon with that particular exposure.

So there is much more preserved common experience, athlete or not, in an ACL repair across patients than there is with back surgery...even when we are talking about the "same surgery."

Don't know who but someone should have stepped up and said they can't play

I wonder who will retire first?

Landon or Cam. I'd say Landon.

But dang, this OLine will need an entire rebuild soon. Which is possible, through good drafting and FA signings.

On 4/3/2026 at 6:54 AM, Mike030270 said:

Don't know who but someone should have stepped up and said they can't play

Like Shawn Andrews? Yeah ... the fans just loved that ...