March 27Mar 27 Just now, we_gotta_believe said:So you're saying he's a self-loathing Jew or something?It's rather obvious. Attacks on wealth have been coded anti-Semitism for centuries now.
March 27Mar 27 Just now, vikas83 said:It's rather obvious.Attacks on wealth have been coded anti-Semitism for centuries now.I mean, I've never seen him so much as dip his toe into anti-semitism of any form but alright.
March 27Mar 27 Just now, vikas83 said:OK, so let's just steal their money and in the process completely destroy all innovation in the US Economy.Or, and hear me out on this, enforce current anti-trust laws.That's what the last admin was trying to do and it played a pretty big role in the tech billionaire's turning to Trump.
March 27Mar 27 2 minutes ago, vikas83 said:It's rather obvious.Attacks on wealth have been coded anti-Semitism for centuries now.This feels like a pretty big cop-out for you, Vikas. People can't criticize the wealthy or they're boob? Come on
March 27Mar 27 1 minute ago, VanHammersly said:This feels like a pretty big cop-out for you, Vikas. People can't criticize the wealthy or they're boob? Come onWhen you make attacking wealth your entire political platform and identity, then yeah, it has those overtones. Add on being close with anti-Semitic far left politicians and employing them, the conclusion is what it is. Even if it's subconscious, this doesn't help. Maybe he's just a useful idiot, but these kind of attacks based on nothing than the accumulation of wealth have historically been grounded in anti-Semitism.https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/12/bernie-sanders-jews-israel-1218781
March 27Mar 27 6 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:I mean, I've never seen him so much as dip his toe into anti-semitism of any form but alright.Yeah, that's a bit much but whatever. Not a fight I even care to take part in.
March 27Mar 27 3 minutes ago, Paul852 said:Yeah, that's a bit much but whatever. Not a fight I even care to take part in.I'll let it go. Those comments always strike me that way, whether from the left or the right. Anti-Semitism seems to be the last unifying concept in US Politics, And Indians are basically the Jews of Asia. But maybe I'm overly sensitive to it.
March 27Mar 27 1 minute ago, Paul852 said:Yeah, that's a bit much but whatever. Not a fight I even care to take part in.Exactly. Bernie's a socialist clown who should've been out of government decades ago, but antisemitism accusations? Seems like a reach.
March 27Mar 27 2 minutes ago, vikas83 said:When you make attacking wealth your entire political platform and identity, then yeah, it has those overtones. Add on being close with anti-Semitic far left politicians and employing them, the conclusion is what it is. Even if it's subconscious, this doesn't help. Maybe he's just a useful idiot, but these kind of attacks based on nothing than the accumulation of wealth have historically been grounded in anti-Semitism.https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/12/bernie-sanders-jews-israel-1218781Yeah, that's his thing but he's Jewish, man.And he's right (maybe not in his prescriptions but certainly in his diagnosis). Societies don't survive the kind of wealth disparity we have at the moment (certainly not in democratic form). It doesn't work out for the people and a lot of times it doesn't even work out for the wealthy in the long run. I agree their are some antisemites on the left, but saying that if someone criticizes the wealthy class they're automatically an antisemite is just a defense mechanism.
March 27Mar 27 16 minutes ago, vikas83 said:It's rather obvious.Attacks on wealth have been coded anti-Semitism for centuries now.This is very true and the height of that happened in Germany before and during WWII. Jews were very often perceived as getting wealthy through unfair measures.Of course a lot of wealth still exists in the Jewish community these days, but I wouldn’t think Sanders has that on his mind when he talks about oligarchs etc..
March 27Mar 27 1 hour ago, vikas83 said:Democrats are currently introducing an unconstitutional wealth tax in Congress.What makes their proposal unconstitutional? Generally, the concept is considered unsettled law afaik.
March 27Mar 27 1 minute ago, DrPhilly said:What makes their proposal unconstitutional? Generally, the concept is considered unsettled law afaik.It's laughably unconstitutional. Per the Constitution, taxes must be apportioned among the states on the basis of population. Because of this limit, the original income tax was struck down and necessitated the passage of the 16th Amendment (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollock_v._Farmers%27_Loan_%26_Trust_Co.). The 16th Amendment only allows for the tax of income, not wealth. This would be killed by the courts in a nano-second.It's completely settled law. You'd need another Constitutional Amendment to tax wealth unless it were apportioned among the states by population (which it can't be). The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
March 27Mar 27 6 minutes ago, vikas83 said:It's laughably unconstitutional. Per the Constitution, taxes must be apportioned among the states on the basis of population. Because of this limit, the original income tax was struck down and necessitated the passage of the 16th Amendment (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollock_v._Farmers%27_Loan_%26_Trust_Co.). The 16th Amendment only allows for the tax of income, not wealth. This would be killed by the courts in a nano-second.It's completely settled law. You'd need another Constitutional Amendment to tax wealth unless it were apportioned among the states by population (which it can't be).There are plenty of legal scholars out there who believe a wealth tax can be positioned as an excise tax and not a direct tax. I have the same basic opinion as you do but there are many others who do not.
March 27Mar 27 Just now, DrPhilly said:There are plenty of legal scholars out there who believe a wealth tax can be positioned as an excise tax and not a direct tax. I have the same basic opinion as you do but there are many others who do not.Plenty of legal scholars are apparently retarded. An excise tax, per the IRS' own definition, is "an indirect tax on specific goods, services and activities."Also, given the nature of this Supreme Court, it's drawing dead.EDIT: you can find legal "scholars" to back anything ridiculous. I'm sure plenty will say deporting people without due process is legal. Doesn't make them right, just another partisan hack.
March 29Mar 29 On 3/27/2026 at 12:29 PM, vikas83 said:I'll let it go. Those comments always strike me that way, whether from the left or the right. Anti-Semitism seems to be the last unifying concept in US Politics, And Indians are basically the Jews of Asia. But maybe I'm overly sensitive to it.Money. Bollywood. Ridiculous forbidden foods. It checks out
March 29Mar 29 Man I stepped away from CVON for a bit and missed out on "Bernie is an antisemite"? Dammit this is why I keep coming back to this place.
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