March 23, 20214 yr 6 minutes ago, TEW said: I do. It seems that along with American history, American geography has gone to ish as well. I don’t vote for either major party in national elections anyway FWIW. Didn’t vote in the last two elections, Johnson before that. Both parties are beyond saving and have been for quite some time. What I want for voting rights is simple: be a net tax contributor. That’s it. I really don’t care about anything else. Pay more in than you receive. You know, basic and sane incentive structures. Of course that would disqualify the majority of the population because the US has become one gigantic welfare state where even the middle class doesn’t pay "their fair share” despite the moronic ramblings of the left. Libertarians would be better off going for seats in the mountain west region.
March 23, 20214 yr Just now, Bill said: Libertarians would be better off going for seats in the mountain west region. They aren’t going to win anything, anywhere. The entire incentive to vote is contradictory to the goal of libertarianism.
March 23, 20214 yr 17 minutes ago, toolg said: I figured so. My response applies to his Tweet too. Just for the record though, as someone who was born and raised in Maryland (literally about 5 miles as the crow flies, from the White House), I've thought that D.C. should be retroceded back to Maryland for decades. Maryland may not want the city, but I don't think that should matter. It was Maryland territory, it should be Maryland territory, while the National Mall (all of the territory that contains the Federal government and the national museums/monuments) should remain Federal territory. That would solve the issue of representation, and Maryland would gain representatives. The only reason that political sides would oppose it is... well, political. The only reason people want D.C. to be a state is because then one side would gain two Senate seats that would likely remain in the possession of that side until the Earth crumbles and vanishes. It's a political game that's been going on for many, many years (doing back to before the Civil War). If D.C. became a State, then you could bet that the next time that the other party controls everything, a new state for that side would be approved in order to restore 'balance'.
March 23, 20214 yr Not very good, Zack Snyder cut was better but, still nothing to be confident in going forward
March 23, 20214 yr 3 hours ago, Dave Moss said: I’d go one step further and say kids don’t even understand the role of government. Too much J.S. Mill says the liberal "teacher" hoping to indoctrinate them on a perverted role of govt... good little marxist
March 23, 20214 yr 49 minutes ago, TEW said: They aren’t going to win anything, anywhere. The entire incentive to vote is contradictory to the goal of libertarianism. You would know, you are the leading libertarian expert here
March 23, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, TEW said: Depends what part of Maryland you’re talking about. MontCo and PG would probably love to absorb it. Maybe. I don't see it reflected in polling. 48 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said: Just for the record though, as someone who was born and raised in Maryland (literally about 5 miles as the crow flies, from the White House), I've thought that D.C. should be retroceded back to Maryland for decades. Maryland may not want the city, but I don't think that should matter. It was Maryland territory, it should be Maryland territory, while the National Mall (all of the territory that contains the Federal government and the national museums/monuments) should remain Federal territory. That would solve the issue of representation, and Maryland would gain representatives. The only reason that political sides would oppose it is... well, political. The only reason people want D.C. to be a state is because then one side would gain two Senate seats that would likely remain in the possession of that side until the Earth crumbles and vanishes. It's a political game that's been going on for many, many years (doing back to before the Civil War). If D.C. became a State, then you could bet that the next time that the other party controls everything, a new state for that side would be approved in order to restore 'balance'. It seems you hold the minority view. 2016 poll of Marylanders: LINK When Arlington/Alexandria retroceded back to Virginia, it was still a small town/rural area across the river. Washington was already a bustling city, while Arlington was largely ignored by the city across the Potomac. Both the town and the state approved of retrocession. Then it developed as part of Virginia. This situation is completely different. Washington DC and Maryland each developed independently. Neither jurisdiction wants to join the other. DC wants to become its own state. Marylanders are happy as they are. It seems to be one issue that transcends geography and party lines in Maryland. If I had my say: I'd compromise to make DC an independent city, both part of and autonomous of Maryland. They are each apportioned its own Representatives by population, but it would vote for two Senators as one state. Both jurisdictions must approve the plan, if Arlington retrocession is the precedent.
March 23, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, toolg said: Maybe. I don't see it reflected in polling. It seems you hold the minority view. 2016 poll of Marylanders: LINK When Arlington/Alexandria retroceded back to Virginia, it was still a small town/rural area across the river. Washington was already a bustling city, while Arlington was largely ignored by the city across the Potomac. Both the town and the state approved of retrocession. Then it developed as part of Virginia. This situation is completely different. Washington DC and Maryland each developed independently. Neither jurisdiction wants to join the other. DC wants to become its own state. Marylanders are happy as they are. It seems to be one issue that transcends geography and party lines in Maryland. If I had my say: I'd compromise to make DC an independent city, both part of and autonomous of Maryland. They are each apportioned its own Representatives by population, but it would vote for two Senators as one state. Both jurisdictions must approve the plan, if Arlington retrocession is the precedent. Whether Maryland wants it or not shouldn't matter. It was Maryland territory, it should be Maryland territory. But that question in and of itself is written to steer the vote in one direction. Maryland wouldn't be 'annexing' it. The Federal government would be giving back something that had already belonged to Maryland. If I borrow your lawnmower, then give it back, that's not you 'annexing' the lawnmower, it's you re-taking possession of something that was yours to begin with.
March 23, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said: Whether Maryland wants it or not shouldn't matter. It was Maryland territory, it should be Maryland territory. But that question in and of itself is written to steer the vote in one direction. Maryland wouldn't be 'annexing' it. The Federal government would be giving back something that had already belonged to Maryland. If I borrow your lawnmower, then give it back, that's not you 'annexing' the lawnmower, it's you re-taking possession of something that was yours to begin with. It was also Algonquin territory, so is that who should have it? It's as if you borrowed my lawnmower, souped it up with a more powerful engine, new racing tires, spoilers,...so it's now a racing kart that cuts grass. Then you try to give it back to me 200 years later, and I'm like, no thanks. I bought a new lawnmower and I already got an ATV and motorcycle, I don't want it or need it anymore. It's all yours.
March 23, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, toolg said: Maybe. I don't see it reflected in polling. It seems you hold the minority view. 2016 poll of Marylanders: LINK The key here is it would be decided by the politicians, not the people, and all they would see is dollar signs.
March 23, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, Joe Shades 73 said: You would know, you are the leading libertarian expert here The incentive to vote is to gain power and impose a world view on others through policy. It’s all about the coercion of others through the threat of the violence of the state. For example, the left would want to impose wealth redistribution through taxation. If you fail to comply, the government forcefully seizes your wealth and puts you in jail. Or, for the right, they want to impose a social policy like banning drugs or pornography. If you posses drugs or produce pornography, they throw you in jail. In both cases, it is the will to power that drives voting. The fundamental basis of libertarianism is to not do this. It is to relinquish power over others. This is not a popular concept with most people.
March 23, 20214 yr 14 minutes ago, TEW said: The key here is it would be decided by the politicians, not the people, and all they would see is dollar signs. People elect the politicians. They will listen to the people if they want to keep their jobs. DC isn't a piece of property that's up for sale.... And I found more polls. National polls favor DC statehood: https://www.dcvote.org/all_resources/dc-vote-august-2020-polling/ And these are older local polls LINK Quote 73 Session 2, near 57:56. To the extent that survey data reflects public opinion, quantitative studies reveal that neither District residents nor residents in the immediate suburbs surrounding D.C., in both Maryland and Virginia support retrocession. A 1994 Wirthlin Group study showed that only 25% of the 500 suburban residents polled endorsed retrocession to Maryland, while that number dropped to 19% among the 1000 District residents who participated in the poll. See: Richards, DC Watch, in the "Retrocession – Merging D.C. with Maryland” section. District residents’ dislike was confirmed in a 2000 George Washington University study when only 21% of those polled supported the option of retrocession: Richards, Public Perspective, 14.
March 23, 20214 yr Just now, toolg said: People elect the politicians. They will listen to the people if they want to keep their jobs. No, they won’t, because there is no competition in elections. What, you think PG is going to suddenly vote Republican?
March 24, 20214 yr 16 hours ago, TEW said: No, they won’t, because there is no competition in elections. What, you think PG is going to suddenly vote Republican? You mean him? And him? They support DC statehood.
March 24, 20214 yr 4 hours ago, toolg said: You mean him? And him? They support DC statehood. Yeah, of course they do. Do you think you made a point here? First, we were talking about MD absorbing DC into the state, not granting statehood to DC. Second, my comment was in regards to the claim that Democrat politicians would hypothetically reject a potential absorption of DC because the voters didn’t want it. They don’t care what the voters want. They’d take it for the money. Especially PG for the tax base. In any case, of course democrats want DC to be a state. They want two new senate seats. It’s a power grab pure and simple. No one in their right mind is arguing otherwise.
March 24, 20214 yr 38 minutes ago, TEW said: Yeah, of course they do. Do you think you made a point here? First, we were talking about MD absorbing DC into the state, not granting statehood to DC. Second, my comment was in regards to the claim that Democrat politicians would hypothetically reject a potential absorption of DC because the voters didn’t want it. They don’t care what the voters want. They’d take it for the money. Especially PG for the tax base. In any case, of course democrats want DC to be a state. They want two new senate seats. It’s a power grab pure and simple. No one in their right mind is arguing otherwise. These two gentlemen are the House reps in PG county. If they wanted to absorb Washington DC into Maryland, you'd think they'd say so. Rather they support the majority of voters in their district, and the majority in DC, that supports DC statehood. That's the point I make. What's this point about money that you are trying to make? That's not reality. Nobody cares.
March 24, 20214 yr 14 minutes ago, toolg said: These two gentlemen are the House reps in PG county. If they wanted to absorb Washington DC into Maryland, you'd think they'd say so. Rather they support the majority of voters in their district, and the majority in DC, that supports DC statehood. That's the point I make. What's this point about money that you are trying to make? That's not reality. Nobody cares. It was a hypothetical situation someone else brought up. Of course democrats want statehood.
March 25, 20214 yr 13 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said: Can we make Canada a state so we can get the border open? 54° 40' or Fight!
April 22, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, toolg said: DC statehood passed the House today. Like everything else the House has done lately, the bill is DOA in the Senate and thus a waste of our time.
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