Consequences...

 

19 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

Needs some ketchup and that's a fine meal right there.

41 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

Is it just me, or does Kz! like his criminals the same color that Donnie Dewshberry likes steak?

On 6/30/2021 at 6:19 AM, Kz! said:

There are consequences to screaming white supremacy into the void, leftists. 

Alabama city councilman does not scream it into the void, he screams it into a city council meeting.

 

Anyone who supports the Confederacy or waves a Confederate Flag, is a White Supremacist in my book. NASCAR agrees with me.

There is no other Southern Pride or History, that doesn't include, the Klan, Jim Crow, Slavery, Treason, and Sedition and the destruction of the Union. 

17 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Alabama city councilman does not scream it into the void, he screams it into a city council meeting.

 

Oof, ya hate to see it. 

The Texas Senate. The Hatred is well deserved. 
 

 

What does MLK have to do with American history?

5 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

Oof, ya hate to see it. 

Wonder what he wanted the House N to do? Fetch his pipe and tobacco? 

3 minutes ago, Toastrel said:

What does MLK have to do with American history?

Hmmm. Getting Johnson to sign the 1964 Civil Rights Act for one thing. 

47 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said:

Anyone who supports the Confederacy or waves a Confederate Flag, is a White Supremacist in my book. NASCAR agrees with me.

There is no other Southern Pride or History, that doesn't include, the Klan, Jim Crow, Slavery, Treason, and Sedition and the destruction of the Union. 

FALSE. 

Too broad a brush there my friend. It's possible the acknowledge positive contributions from southern states without diminishing the wrongness of the negatives you mention.

Many of the Heroes of WW II were from the South. They gave up their sons in that worthy cause no less than the North did. One could argue that's merely an example of national Pride or History and that wouldn't necessarily be incorrect. Nonetheless, in proper context, Southerners could take great Pride in their being a part of that historic endeavor. I'm sure every Northern and Southern B-17 Bomber crew member was happy as hell to see those African-American Red Tailed Tuskegee Airmen in action over the skies of Europe. Also, a great many inventions that we take for granted came out of the South. The point is that the Confederate flag waiving "south will rise again" racists are idiots who adhere to a failed and terrible ideology, but not every southerner is one of those. 

3 minutes ago, PoconoDon said:

FALSE. 

Too broad a brush there my friend. It's possible the acknowledge positive contributions from southern states without diminishing the wrongness of the negatives you mention.

Many of the Heroes of WW II were from the South. They gave up their sons in that worthy cause no less than the North did. One could argue that's merely an example of national Pride or History and that wouldn't necessarily be incorrect. Nonetheless, in proper context, Southerners could take great Pride in their being a part of that historic endeavor. I'm sure every Northern and Southern B-17 Bomber crew member was happy as hell to see those African-American Red Tailed Tuskegee Airmen in action over the skies of Europe. Also, a great many inventions that we take for granted came out of the South. The point is that the Confederate flag waiving "south will rise again" racists are idiots who adhere to a failed and terrible ideology, but not every southerner is one of those. 

I've never heard a White Southerner, who is waving a Confederate Flag, say he's doing so to honor southern service men in WWII. That's a new one for me. It's a fair point, but to me they are "South Will Rise Again" racist idiots.  Like this guy. LOL.

 

1 hour ago, jsdarkstar said:

Anyone who supports the Confederacy or waves a Confederate Flag, is a White Supremacist in my book. NASCAR agrees with me.

There is no other Southern Pride or History, that doesn't include, the Klan, Jim Crow, Slavery, Treason, and Sedition and the destruction of the Union. 

Yeah, what they really mean is that they yearn for a hierarchical society with rich white men at the top and black men at the very bottom.

29 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Yeah, what they really mean is that they yearn for a hierarchical society with rich white men at the top and black men at the very bottom.

Yep.

 

The Cornerstone Speech, also known as the Cornerstone Address, was an oration given by Alexander H. Stephens, Vice President of the Confederate States of America, at the Athenaeum in Savannah, Georgia, on March 21, 1861.^[1] The speech, delivered extemporaneously a few weeks before the Civil War began with the Confederate attack on Fort Sumter, defended slavery as a fundamental and just result of the inferiority of the black race, explained the fundamental differences between the constitutions of the Confederate States and that of the United States, enumerated contrasts between Union and Confederate ideologies, and laid out the Confederacy's rationale for seceding from the U.S.

In particular, he stated that "our new government['s] foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the **** is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth."^[2]

Stephens contended that advances and progress in the sciences proved that the 18th-century view that "all men are created equal" was erroneous and that all men were not created equal.^[5] He stated that advances in science proved that enslavement of African Americans by white men was justified and that it coincided with the Bible's teachings.^[5] He also stated that the Confederacy was the first country in the world founded on the principle of racial supremacy:

Stephens's prophecy of the Confederacy's future resembles nothing so much as Hitler's prophecies of the Thousand-Year Reich. Nor are their theories very different.

I think that at this stage you could fairly state that Southern Pride evolved to a point where for many it's separate from its history if racism. Broad brushing all people who grew up ensconced in a culture where Southern Pride meant something removed from racism is no less prejudiced than arguing everybody who supports the Democratic party is a socialist hell bent on destroying American capitalism.

Stereotypes are lazy, regardless if who's peddling them.

So, all of you people engaging in social intercourse with Kz! - how's that working out for you?

1 hour ago, PoconoDon said:

The point is that the Confederate flag waiving "south will rise again" racists are idiots who adhere to a failed and terrible ideology, but not every southerner is one of those. 

This is something too many people miss, either consciously making the choice to miss it because it runs counter to their biases or simple ignorance.

Stereotypes can be useful when studying large blocs of people within a population for whatever reason: healthcare, social dynamics, economics, whatever. But they become a huge liability when you start to narrow in on specific groups of people or individuals because it prejudices our thinking. 

2 hours ago, jsdarkstar said:

Anyone who supports the Confederacy or waves a Confederate Flag, is a White Supremacist in my book. NASCAR agrees with me.

There is no other Southern Pride or History, that doesn't include, the Klan, Jim Crow, Slavery, Treason, and Sedition and the destruction of the Union. 

It should be like Germany or other countries that have dark chapters in their history and moving past it.  The type of people who cling to the Confederate flag, it might mean something different to different people.  For some, it's a redneck culture thing and they deny it has anything to do with slavery or Jim Crow, etc.  For some, yeah they're racist and they don't like diversity and progress.  It's also a weird phenomenon where it's the losing side of the war and the reasoning for it is nothing to be proud of.  There's an inferiority complex aspect to it for some.  

The South today is also growing more diverse and progressive especially around the major cities.  In Nashville for example it's very international, there's an annual pride march, there was a woman's march after Trump was elected and racial justice protests.  The famous lunch counter protest happened in Nashville, and there is pride about the civil rights movement here. 

Many southerners don't associate with the Confederate flag stuff and want to embrace a modern south that moves past those dark chapters.  With just about any people group you have the good ones and the bad ones.  The more that those in the north and west coast mock and belittle southerners I think it creates a sort of "they don't like us, and we don't care" mentality.  I think for some, they celebrate the confederate flag as part of an overall southern culture.  That's been changing, and I think some powerful things happened throughout even just the last year.  The country music stars that have been vocal about racial justice, NASCAR banning the confederate flag and certain drivers celebrating BLM and the removal of confederate statues. 

I do think this is a good example of where the people within the group can take ownership.  Southern whites can be more anti-racist instead of just not being racist.  For example I have a friend who is a pastor in Florida and he was posting on his social media about racial justice last year.  He had people commenting about erasing history with confederate statues and all those talking points.  He battled them about it and worked hard to influence changing the mindset.  I talked to him and he said a lot of these older southerners just have it ingrained their whole lives and are on the defensive and they need to come around and we need to influence them.

4 minutes ago, NOTW said:

It should be like Germany or other countries that have dark chapters in their history and moving past it.  The type of people who cling to the Confederate flag, it might mean something different to different people.  For some, it's a redneck culture thing and they deny it has anything to do with slavery or Jim Crow, etc.  For some, yeah they're racist and they don't like diversity and progress.  It's also a weird phenomenon where it's the losing side of the war and the reasoning for it is nothing to be proud of.  There's an inferiority complex aspect to it for some.  

The South today is also growing more diverse and progressive especially around the major cities.  In Nashville for example it's very international, there's an annual pride march, there was a woman's march after Trump was elected and racial justice protests.  The famous lunch counter protest happened in Nashville, and there is pride about civil rights here.  Many southerners don't associate with the Confederate flag stuff and want to embrace a modern south that moves past those dark chapters.  With just about any people group you have the good ones and the bad ones.  The more that those in the north and west coast mock and belittle southerners I think it creates a sort of "they don't like us, and we don't care" mentality.  I think for some, they celebrate the confederate flag as part of an overall southern culture.  That's been changing, and I think some powerful things happened throughout even just the last year.  The country music stars that have been vocal about racial justice, NASCAR banning the confederate flag and certain drivers celebrating BLM and the removal of confederate statues.  I do think this is a good example of where the people within the group can take ownership.  Southern whites can be more anti-racist instead of just not being racist.  For example I have a friend who is a pastor in Florida and he was posting on his social media about racial justice last year.  He had people commenting about erasing history with confederate statues and all those talking points.  He battled them about it and worked hard to influence changing the mindset.  I talked to him and he said a lot of these older southerners just have it ingrained their whole lives and are on the defensive and they need to come around and we need to influence them.

Excellent post. Clearly, not all Southerners are racist. To me it's just the ones that Waive the Confederate Flag that so many people find offensive, and which we fought a war to defeat. Clearly the big cities are more diverse. It's the Red Counties where you'll find the flag waivers the most. They are also the ones, that object to removing Robert E. Lee Statute for the most part.

I never understood this claim, "overall southern culture". What Southern Culture are they proud of?  I mean from 1776 to 1865 they owned slaves. Then after that it was Jim Crow and Segregation that lasted from 1865 until 1965 or there about. Since 1965 those attitudes haven't changed much. Maybe they aren't as in your face as they used to be, but over the last 4 years it's been making a come back. It appears that Trumplicans accept those attitudes today.

Now today as in 1960's blacks have to fight for their right to vote. Trumplicans believe that we don't have the right to vote and they are therefore free to restrict blacks from voting while Dems want the right to vote made easier for all citizens. 

I believe that many hold the same attitudes that were expressed in the Cornerstone Speech. 

47 minutes ago, Toastrel said:

So, all of you people engaging in social intercourse with Kz! - how's that working out for you?

This type of entertainment shouldn't be free.

11 minutes ago, downundermike said:

This type of entertainment shouldn't be free.

And yet, how much would you pay for it?

being a black clown, I have faced discrimination and hatred. When I tried to get a loan for some big red shoes and a new unicycle....I got denied. I made less then the other white clowns at work.

My cork is so big i have to hang it down my pants leg and keep getting piss on my socks. But i'd rather all of it .........then to be a stone cold honkey

Did somebody lose a dewsh?

1 minute ago, Toastrel said:

Did somebody lose a dewsh?

I did. Its name is Toastrel. Please return her