1 hour ago, TEW said:

Where life begins, killing is murder even if the life is inconvenient. I mean, sh**, I could make an argument about how burdensome millions of people are in this country. Worthless, resource sucking people with no inclination or ability to ever pull their own weight. And yet we don’t just murder them. Because that would be evil.

And I’m not sure why you keep bringing up religion. I’m not religious. At all. I’m rather a fan of Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris and Dennett. This issue has nothing to do with religion. 

Straw man argument.  We are talking about aborting fetuses/embryos growing in someone's womb -- and not yet born.  Not killing those already born.  We do make that distinction, whether you like it or not.

 

Effing psychopaths.

 

This is a baby at 20 weeks after conception.

 

But the good news for all those supporting abortion laws is that you are not alone.  The Satanic Temple has challenged the new Texas abortion law too!

https://www.khou.com/article/news/local/texas/satanic-temple-challenges-texas-abortion-law/285-edf8b1f8-8605-4e6d-9331-afeefe1e5352

The Satanic Temple challenges new Texas abortion law citing religious freedom

The group, recognized as a church by the IRS, says the Texas Religious Freedom Restoration Act bans government from infringing on religion.

 

 

Author: Adam Bennett

Published: 5:29 PM CDT September 6, 2021

Updated: 6:10 PM CDT September 6, 2021

HOUSTON — The Satanic Temple is challenging the new Texas law that bans abortion after roughly six weeks and allows private citizens to sue providers and collect a bounty.

The Massachusetts-based organization, which is tax-exempt and describes itself as a "non-theistic church," argues its members in Texas should be exempt from Senate Bill 8 under the Texas Religious Freedom Restoration Act, which bans government from infringing on religion.

"The Satanic Temple stands ready to assist any member that shares its deeply-held religious convictions regarding the right to reproductive freedom,” wrote the group on its website. "Accordingly, we encourage any member who resides in Texas and wishes to undergo the Satanic Abortion Ritual within the first 24 weeks of pregnancy to contact The Satanic Temple so we may help them fight this law directly.”

One of the seven beliefs on the Satanic Temple’s website reads, "One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.”

Another says, "Beliefs should conform to one’s best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one’s beliefs.”   

According to its website, the Temple and its members don't believe in the "existence of Satan or the supernatural" despite its name.

The group’s legal counsel sent a letter August 31 to the Food and Drug Administration calling on members to have access to abortion pills, which they say are used "in a sacramental setting."

The letter cites the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, which was created to allow Native Americans access to peyote for religious rituals.

Lucien Greaves, the group’s co-founder and spokesperson, said in a statement, "We will not be intimidated into silence by an unjust law or an authoritarian state government. We intend to fight.”

The organization has previously challenged other abortion laws, including in Texas.

Leaders of Texas Right to Life, a pro-life group whose website to anonymously report violators of SB 8 was taken down over the weekend, vowed to keep fighting.

"Texas Right to Life is undeterred and we’re undaunted, and we’re gonna continue to help pregnant woman,” said Elizabeth Graham, Vice President of Texas Right to Life, on Saturday.

 

KHOU reached out to the FDA for a statement Monday. According to their website, the press office is closed on federal holidays, which includes Labor Day.

On Monday afternoon, that website, prolifewhistleblower.com, re-directed to the group's main page.

4 minutes ago, Procus said:

But the good news for all those supporting abortion laws is that you are not alone.  The Satanic Temple has challenged the new Texas abortion law too!

https://www.khou.com/article/news/local/texas/satanic-temple-challenges-texas-abortion-law/285-edf8b1f8-8605-4e6d-9331-afeefe1e5352

The Satanic Temple challenges new Texas abortion law citing religious freedom

The group, recognized as a church by the IRS, says the Texas Religious Freedom Restoration Act bans government from infringing on religion.

 

 

Author: Adam Bennett

Published: 5:29 PM CDT September 6, 2021

Updated: 6:10 PM CDT September 6, 2021

HOUSTON — The Satanic Temple is challenging the new Texas law that bans abortion after roughly six weeks and allows private citizens to sue providers and collect a bounty.

The Massachusetts-based organization, which is tax-exempt and describes itself as a "non-theistic church," argues its members in Texas should be exempt from Senate Bill 8 under the Texas Religious Freedom Restoration Act, which bans government from infringing on religion.

"The Satanic Temple stands ready to assist any member that shares its deeply-held religious convictions regarding the right to reproductive freedom,” wrote the group on its website. "Accordingly, we encourage any member who resides in Texas and wishes to undergo the Satanic Abortion Ritual within the first 24 weeks of pregnancy to contact The Satanic Temple so we may help them fight this law directly.”

One of the seven beliefs on the Satanic Temple’s website reads, "One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.”

Another says, "Beliefs should conform to one’s best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one’s beliefs.”   

According to its website, the Temple and its members don't believe in the "existence of Satan or the supernatural" despite its name.

The group’s legal counsel sent a letter August 31 to the Food and Drug Administration calling on members to have access to abortion pills, which they say are used "in a sacramental setting."

The letter cites the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, which was created to allow Native Americans access to peyote for religious rituals.

Lucien Greaves, the group’s co-founder and spokesperson, said in a statement, "We will not be intimidated into silence by an unjust law or an authoritarian state government. We intend to fight.”

The organization has previously challenged other abortion laws, including in Texas.

Leaders of Texas Right to Life, a pro-life group whose website to anonymously report violators of SB 8 was taken down over the weekend, vowed to keep fighting.

"Texas Right to Life is undeterred and we’re undaunted, and we’re gonna continue to help pregnant woman,” said Elizabeth Graham, Vice President of Texas Right to Life, on Saturday.

 

KHOU reached out to the FDA for a statement Monday. According to their website, the press office is closed on federal holidays, which includes Labor Day.

On Monday afternoon, that website, prolifewhistleblower.com, re-directed to the group's main page.

A righteous cause and a clever tactic to getting the law overturned. 

2 hours ago, Procus said:

According to its website, the Temple and its members don't believe in the "existence of Satan or the supernatural" despite its name.

Yes, because followers of Satan would never lie.  They just called their church the "Satanic Temple" because it sounds cool.

2 hours ago, mayanh8 said:

A righteous cause and a clever tactic to getting the law overturned. 

Yes, the Satanic Temple has embraced a righteous cause.  Mighty fine company you're keeping there . .  .

9 minutes ago, Procus said:

Yes, the Satanic Temple has embraced a righteous cause.  Mighty fine company you're keeping there . .  .

Wait wait wait... so you think they're an actual Satanic temple? 

I mean... I smelled the sarcasm and irony dripping from their name from a mile away so I didn't even need to see it. But it was actually in the text of the article you posted. 

 

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According to its website, the Temple and its members don't believe in the "existence of Satan or the supernatural" despite its name.

Oh F I can't stop laughing. 

Guy, their existence is a parody of actual churches who, they hate, in order to get the same religious protections they do. 

I’d give more credence to the Satanists than Abbott’s idea that he’s gonna eliminate all rape.

8 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

Wait wait wait... so you think they're an actual Satanic temple? 

I mean... I smelled the sarcasm and irony dripping from their name from a mile away so I didn't even need to see it. But it was actually in the text of the article you posted. 

 

Oh F I can't stop laughing. 

Guy, their existence is a parody of actual churches who, they hate, in order to get the same religious protections they do. 

Of course they are.  I mean after all, if you put a laughing emoticon in the post, it CAN'T be the Satanic Temple, can it?????

8 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

I’d give more credence to the Satanists than Abbott’s idea that he’s gonna eliminate all rape.

What, we have another follower of Satan in CVON?  It's all starting to make sense now.

2 hours ago, mayanh8 said:

Effing psychopaths.

So Abbott had the ability to eliminate all rape before the law but he was holding back? 

1 minute ago, Procus said:

Of course they are.  I mean after all, if you put a laughing emoticon in the post, it CAN'T be the Satanic Temple, can it?????

It's in the description you posted. Are you now just going to stick your head in the sand and pretend like you didn't just post the proof that they don't actually worship Satan? 

1 minute ago, VanHammersly said:

So Abbott had the ability to eliminate all rape before the law but he was holding back? 

He's mentally retarded. Seriously. There's a reason why his approval rate is down to 41% in TX. The things he says and does are completely batshit crazy.

2 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

It's in the description you posted. Are you now just going to stick your head in the sand and pretend like you didn't just post the proof that they don't actually worship Satan? 

Of course they don't worship Satan.  It's on their website so it must be believed.  While people that worship Satan would have no problem lying, Satanic Temple worshippers would NEVER lie.

5 minutes ago, Procus said:

Of course they don't worship Satan.  It's on their website so it must be believed.  While people that worship Satan would have no problem lying, Satanic Temple worshippers would NEVER lie.

So you think that they are so scared of being recognized as Satan worshipers that they named their church "Satanic Temple".

I want you to read that statement back in your head. Better yet, read it silently a few times, and tell me that it makes one single ounce of sense. 

2 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

So you think that they are so scared of being recognized as Satan worshipers that they named their church "Satanic Temple".

I want you to read that back in your head and tell me that it makes one single ounce of sense. 

Oh, the naive liberals in CVON will fall for anything.  From the Satanic Temple website:

 

8 minutes ago, Procus said:

Of course they are.  I mean after all, if you put a laughing emoticon in the post, it CAN'T be the Satanic Temple, can it?????

What, we have another follower of Satan in CVON?  It's all starting to make sense now.

Why stop at rape?  Just eliminate all crime.

Just now, Dave Moss said:

Why stop at rape?  Just eliminate all crime.

Spoken like a hard core Satanist

1 minute ago, Dave Moss said:

Why stop at rape?  Just eliminate all crime.

It sounds like they're gonna let incest continue.  That's Texas for you...

4 minutes ago, Procus said:

Oh, the naive liberals in CVON will fall for anything.  From the Satanic Temple website:

 

 

They are a parody you idiot. Plain as day. But you're too stupid and/or stubborn to admit you were completely snowed. 

6 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

They are a parody you idiot. Plain as day. But you're too stupid and/or stubborn to admit you were completely snowed. 

 

Of course it's a parody.  A parody, yeah, that's the ticket!!!!

1 minute ago, Procus said:

 

Of course it's a parody.  A parody, yeah, that's the ticket!!!!

You need to change your avatar.  It's F'ing nasty dude.

3 hours ago, Procus said:

 

This is a baby at 20 weeks after conception.

 

Not that it makes a bit of difference, but this is highly anthropomorphized, especially the skin.  The texture is much more...almost gelatinous. Here's an example (micropreemie, not an abortion but still hard to see):

Spoiler

 

Easy with the pics or I’m going to post pictures of my wife’s placenta

13 minutes ago, Procus said:

 

Of course it's a parody.  A parody, yeah, that's the ticket!!!!

I'm trying to think of all the times that I came out on the wrong end of a debate in CVON and I can't actually remember one where it was so bad that I felt like I'd have to intentionally take the literal meaning of a sarcastic statement in order to avoid admitting defeat.

This is absolutely fascinating to watch unfold.