July 3, 20241 yr 11 hours ago, Bill said: Where they failed, IMO, was not creating a test for what determines an official act. But...that was the whole point of the case. No one was arguing that sending soldiers to war or nominating judges weren't official acts and were illegal. And ruling that fundamental Executive responsibilities granted to the President in Article II would've obviously been fine (and of course would've been consistent with the originalists view that the majority supposedly held). They were arguing that acts that were on its face personal were criminal. But the SC decided that essentially everything (and literally everything with a tiny amount of creative effort) was official. Right now, a judge is assessing whether or not a president writing a personal check to a porn star constitutes an official act. I'd love to hear someone make that argument with a straight face. It also expanded what's considered "core presidential powers" beyond what's granted to the President in Article II, including the power to investigate and prosecute crimes , and even leaves the door open to new "core presidential powers", which, even if you take that single portion of the ruling, is a massive reimagining of what a President is and what it will become in the future. They also ruled that the President is afforded absolute immunity for pardons. Which, on its face is fine, but the problem is that if there's absolutely no checks on pardoning, then you've just legalized issuing pardons for payment and of course issuing pardons to protect yourself. That's insane and allows for the entire pardoning system to work like a racketeering operation, which we all know Trump would immediately do if he were President again. On top of all of it, it forbids motives from being considered when determining whether an act is official or not, which is absolute madness. It's the presidential equivalent of saying murder is always self defense, no matter the facts of the case. Basically the doom hypotheticals are just that, hypothetical, but there's absolutely no reason to believe they aren't possible in the future with a minimum amount of creative justification. And it's not hyperbole at all to say this ruling has granted the President the power of a king.
July 3, 20241 yr 7 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said: Except they failed to provide a test for determining an "official act" vs an "unofficial" one as you mentioned. Without this, we're in wild west territory of lower courts fumbling through and trying to figure this out on their own which is why you get a postponement of a sentencing hearing for crimes committed before he was even elected. They literally left out the most critical part of the ruling which is precisely what makes it "that bad." It’s a bad ruling. It’s not that bad. It’s not Schenck v. US level bad. Yeah, they should have put a test in there, but whether they put a test in there or not, they’re still going to hear an appeal later.
July 4, 20241 yr Just now, ToastJenkins said: So why not just lock up Trump on the Epstein info? Official act
July 4, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, VanHammersly said: Official act 12 hours ago, VanHammersly said: Unfortunately, Trump raping kids throughout the 90’s and 2000’s was an official act. On 7/2/2024 at 2:18 PM, VanHammersly said: Unfortunately, that was an official act of his presidency, so it's all good.
July 4, 20241 yr Really the classic plan of eroding the justice system prior to getting in place as a dictator. Two chances left. One is to beat him in November. The other is the last flimsy guardrail being the definition of "Official Act". We are now staring into the abyss.
July 4, 20241 yr 7 hours ago, DrPhilly said: We are now staring into the abyss. You are such a drama queen
July 4, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Dave Moss said: You are such a drama queen Yeah for sure. Just mark each post with a smiley and get on with your day mate.
July 4, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, DrPhilly said: Yeah for sure. Just mark each post with a smiley and get on with your day mate.
July 4, 20241 yr 12 hours ago, DrPhilly said: ...the abyss. I think her top was off briefly when they had to revive her with the defib
July 4, 20241 yr I am absolutely loving the illiterate, reactionary insanity coming from the left on this ruling.
July 4, 20241 yr 12 hours ago, DrPhilly said: Really the classic plan of eroding the justice system prior to getting in place as a dictator. Two chances left. One is to beat him in November. The other is the last flimsy guardrail being the definition of "Official Act". We are now staring into the abyss. Get a dog. Living in Nordic land has made you stupid.
July 4, 20241 yr 32 minutes ago, TEW said: Get a dog. Living in Nordic land has made you stupid. Got one. It is a ridiculous ruling.
July 4, 20241 yr 16 minutes ago, The_Omega said: Yeah, Trump’s the danger. Well they did. Better hope he gets to bed by 8 and doesn’t get cranky.
July 4, 20241 yr 20 minutes ago, Gannan said: Well they did. Better hope he gets to bed by 8 and doesn’t get cranky.
July 4, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, DrPhilly said: Got one. It is a ridiculous ruling. Nah, it is a totally coherent and logical ruling. You just have Nordic brain.
July 4, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, The_Omega said: Yeah, Trump’s the danger. Leftists are so unimaginably stupid, it is almost beyond belief. Basic reading comprehension, basic factual comprehension, it is all totally above them. But, yeah, totally, please call up DEVGRU to assassinate Trump. I want to see the outcome for craps and giggles.
July 4, 20241 yr 25 minutes ago, The_Omega said: Yeah, Trump and Republicans are the danger Hide contents Who is Matt Croyle?
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