September 2, 20214 yr 22 minutes ago, mayanh8 said: That's all the matters. The GOP is an absolute dumpster fire under the hood but they have no issues coming together at the polls to support batshit crazy politicians and policies. Oh yeah, it should really help the Dems drive a turnout. What I find more interesting though is how the battles within the party shape up.
September 2, 20214 yr 9 minutes ago, mayanh8 said: Not every woman's period is the same and more women than you'd think have irregular cycles caused by a great many health variables. This gets especially tricky during menopause. My wife is one of these cases. Our youngest child was conceived despite us practicing safe sex. We found out after six weeks. Yup, I get that women can have irregular cycles. Again, if someone is of the mindset that if they got pregnant, then they’d get an abortion, then what are they doing NOT taking a pregnancy test if their period is several days late? It would be one thing if there actually wasn’t a way for them to know. But there is. There’s a super easy and convenient way for someone to know that they are pregnant so the "they might not even know they are pregnant” reasoning doesn’t hold water IMO. Additionally, birth control can help regular a woman’s menstrual cycle.
September 2, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: Yup, I get that women can have irregular cycles. Again, if someone is of the mindset that if they got pregnant, then they’d get an abortion, then what are they doing NOT taking a pregnancy test if their period is several days late? It would be one thing if there actually wasn’t a way for them to know. But there is. There’s a super easy and convenient way for someone to know that they are pregnant so the "they might not even know they are pregnant” reasoning doesn’t hold water IMO. If you're practicing safe sex then you aren't going to be constantly taking pregnancy tests.
September 2, 20214 yr Just now, mayanh8 said: If you're practicing safe sex then you aren't going to be constantly taking pregnancy tests. 1)If someone is sexually active and their period is a week late, and they are of the mindset that they’d get an abortion if they got pregnant, then yeah they should. Even if they were practicing safe sex. 2) taking birth control can help regulate a woman’s menstrual cycle, mitigating the irregular cycle issue. 3) the reason why this country has nearly 1 million abortions annually is because people AREN’T practicing safe sex.
September 2, 20214 yr Oh no, the Democrats can't slaughter a million babies in a blood sacrifice to Moloch every year! If this doesn't get fixed, Nancy Pelosi is going to disintegrate like Walter Donovan in The Last Crusade.
September 2, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Phillyterp85 said: 1)If someone is sexually active and their period is a week late, and they are of the mindset that they’d get an abortion if they got pregnant, then yeah they should. Even if they were practicing safe sex. That's just ridiculous.
September 2, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Phillyterp85 said: Yup, I get that women can have irregular cycles. Again, if someone is of the mindset that if they got pregnant, then they’d get an abortion, then what are they doing NOT taking a pregnancy test if their period is several days late? It would be one thing if there actually wasn’t a way for them to know. But there is. There’s a super easy and convenient way for someone to know that they are pregnant so the "they might not even know they are pregnant” reasoning doesn’t hold water IMO. Additionally, birth control can help regular a woman’s menstrual cycle. Depends on the birth control. Depends on the woman. And at home pregnancy tests are far from bullet proof especially right after a missed period. Some of which aren't really accurate until at a week after.
September 2, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, mayanh8 said: That's just ridiculous. Lolol yes, how ridiculous for someone who would abort a potential pregnancy to check if they are pregnant when they might be pregnant. Smh……
September 2, 20214 yr 16 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: Lolol yes, how ridiculous for someone who would abort a potential pregnancy to check if they are pregnant when they might be pregnant. Smh…… Requiring them to check before cardiac activity is detectable, which is as early as 5 and a half weeks, absolutely is ridiculous. Even with a perfectly regular menses and testing as soon as many many pregnancy tests are reliable you're at 5 weeks. So even saying "screw everyone with irregular menses and anyone who doesn't test immediately once they realize they're late," that leaves in some cases 3-4 days to make a decision, find a provider, get the mandatory counseling and sit through the 24 hour waiting period. I'm fully on board that more people need access to birth control and that prevention is the best means of reducing abortions. But acting as if this law gives ample time for women to find out they're pregnant and obtain an abortion, even perfectly regular women who immediately recognize a late period, is just ignorant.
September 3, 20214 yr 23 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: Requiring them to check before cardiac activity is detectable, which is as early as 5 and a half weeks, absolutely is ridiculous. Even with a perfectly regular menses and testing as soon as many many pregnancy tests are reliable you're at 5 weeks. So even saying "screw everyone with irregular menses and anyone who doesn't test immediately once they realize they're late," that leaves in some cases 3-4 days to make a decision, find a provider, get the mandatory counseling and sit through the 24 hour waiting period. I'm fully on board that more people need access to birth control and that prevention is the best means of reducing abortions. But acting as if this law gives ample time for women to find out they're pregnant and obtain an abortion, even perfectly regular women who immediately recognize a late period, is just ignorant. As I told Mayan, I’m not arguing that this law is a good idea or not. My gut feeling is that 6 weeks IS to short a timeline to make that decision given that at most it leaves 2 weeks. But I’m talking about the attitude that many women don’t even know they’re pregnant by 6 weeks. Now if I’m being ignorant about the accuracy of pregnancy tests, my apologies. Are you saying that those take home tests miss a significant amount of pregnancies?
September 3, 20214 yr 27 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: As I told Mayan, I’m not arguing that this law is a good idea or not. My gut feeling is that 6 weeks IS to short a timeline. But I’m talking about the attitude that many women don’t even know they’re pregnant by 6 weeks. Now if I’m being ignorant about the accuracy of pregnancy tests, my apologies. Are you saying that those take home tests miss a significant amount of pregnancies? Their false negative rate is relatively high before a missed period. Typically most reliable a few days to upwards of a week after at which time they're pretty accurate but best if repeated at least one. And even very regular women have several day variation in their cycle typically so it's not like it's easy to say exactly when a period is "missed". False positive rate is very low at all times thankfully.
September 3, 20214 yr 32 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: Requiring them to check before cardiac activity is detectable, which is as early as 5 and a half weeks, absolutely is ridiculous. Even with a perfectly regular menses and testing as soon as many many pregnancy tests are reliable you're at 5 weeks. So even saying "screw everyone with irregular menses and anyone who doesn't test immediately once they realize they're late," that leaves in some cases 3-4 days to make a decision, find a provider, get the mandatory counseling and sit through the 24 hour waiting period. I'm fully on board that more people need access to birth control and that prevention is the best means of reducing abortions. But acting as if this law gives ample time for women to find out they're pregnant and obtain an abortion, even perfectly regular women who immediately recognize a late period, is just ignorant. Also this law requires 2 separate Dr visits before someone can get an abortion which shortens the timeline even more. Edit: never mind, you cover that with the counseling session
September 3, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, Boogyman said: *facepalm Thank you. (If you can't slap someone over the internet get them to do it for you.)
September 3, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, M.C. said: Napalm! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 Thats a bit extreme. The face slap is enough.
September 3, 20214 yr 3 hours ago, DEagle7 said: Their false negative rate is relatively high before a missed period. Typically most reliable a few days to upwards of a week after at which time they're pretty accurate but best if repeated at least one. And even very regular women have several day variation in their cycle typically so it's not like it's easy to say exactly when a period is "missed". False positive rate is very low at all times thankfully. Ok so then pretty accurate by the time someone is a week late. I think it’s a very valid argument that the 6 week cutoff doesn’t leave enough time for someone to make this decision given that at most they have 2 weeks if they find out early enough that they’re pregnant. Especially given that this also has to factor in time to actually have a consultation with a doctor and then have the procedure. But I think the "many women don’t even know they’re pregnant at 6 weeks” argument isn’t. And the mindset of, "what, you expect a sexually actively woman to actually take a pregnancy test if they’re a week late?” is a microcosm of a problem we have in society today of lack of accountability.
September 3, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: Ok so then pretty accurate by the time someone is a week late. I think it’s a very valid argument that the 6 week cutoff doesn’t leave enough time for someone to make this decision given that at most they have 2 weeks if they find out early enough that they’re pregnant. Especially given that this also has to factor in time to actually have a consultation with a doctor and then have the procedure. But I think the "many women don’t even know they’re pregnant at 6 weeks” argument isn’t. And the mindset of, "what, you expect a sexually actively woman to actually take a pregnancy test if they’re a week late?” is a microcosm of a problem we have in society today of lack of accountability. It's important to point out that 6 weeks isn't the cut off, it's once fetal heart activity is detectable which can be earlier in some cases. Making the timeline tighter. And again we are talking about the scenario with people that have perfectly regular cycles. Having a late or even missing cycle is common when you're young. When you're old. If you're super athletic. If you're super obese. If you're not either but had a sudden weight change. If you take certain medications. If you have certain medical conditions. If you're stressed. If you're just unlucky. Etc etc etc. Irregularity is common. So it's really hard for me to shame a person for not registering that their period is late right away. Crap happens. Should a sexually active person get a pregnancy test if they're late? In an ideal scenario absolutely. But let's not pretend like there's not plenty of reasonable reasons to not know you're pregnant before this 5-7 week window.
September 3, 20214 yr 7 hours ago, DEagle7 said: Should a sexually active person get a pregnancy test if they're late? In an ideal scenario absolutely. But let's not pretend like there's not plenty of reasonable reasons to not know you're pregnant before this 5-7 week window. And that’s where I disagree. I understand that there would be reasons that someone would be late and not be pregnant. Been through that several times throughout my life in relationships I’ve been in. But IMO there’s no excuse for a sexually active woman who’s not ready for a child to not get a pregnancy test if they are a week late.
September 3, 20214 yr 5 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: And that’s where I disagree. I understand that there would be reasons that someone would be late and not be pregnant. Been through that several times throughout my life in relationships I’ve been in. But IMO there’s no excuse for a sexually active woman who’s not ready for a child to not get a pregnancy test if they are a week late. You keep coming back to this ‘week late’ criteria as if it is a hard and fast day. I am far from an expert, but women who are not regular can vary from 7-9 days from one cycle to the next according to the first google search result that I opened. So if a woman’s cycle is varying by even 5 days normally, when should she be starting the counter to determine that she’s a week late to take the test? And then how does that fit into the 6 weeks criteria established by this new law? It is all absurd and ridiculous. When my wife and I were trying to get pregnant, her cycles were very regular and predictable. She missed her period, waited until she thought she was far enough along to test positive and took a test. The test came back negative. This was a week (or more I can’t remember) late. We were on vacation at the time so we went out for drinks, had wine with dinner, and enjoyed the hot tub in our room for a few days until she tested again and got the positive result. Now we were being ultra attentive and specifically trying to get pregnant but can you see how she could have thought she wasn’t pregnant and not taken that 2nd test under normal circumstances? IMO your opinion on this topic shows a complete lack of real world perspective and understanding.
September 3, 20214 yr 15 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: But IMO there’s no excuse for a sexually active woman who’s not ready for a child to not get a pregnancy test if they are a week late. Why?
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