44 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

 

 

 

Don't think your definition of when life starts is going to be the same as the "Democrats" definition.

Fing love it

 

"The Satanic Temple stands ready to assist any member that shares its deeply-held religious convictions regarding the right to reproductive freedom,” the organization noted on its website.

"Accordingly, we encourage any member who resides in Texas and wishes to undergo the Satanic Abortion Ritual within the first 24 weeks of pregnancy to contact The Satanic Temple so we may help them fight this law directly,” it added

 

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_6132e856e4b05f53eda815e7?ncid=NEWSSTAND0001

12 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

 

Don't think your definition of when life starts is going to be the same as the "Democrats" definition.

Their rationalizations are not definitions.

4 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

Their rationalizations are not definitions.

Call it what you will but the two positions are binary with no overlap so there is virtually no possibility to find any common definition.

48 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Call it what you will but the two positions are binary with no overlap so there is virtually no possibility to find any common definition.

I’m not sure how you would compromise when you’re certain that life begins at conception. 

26 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

I’m not sure how you would compromise when you’re certain that life begins at conception. 

You can’t. My point exactly. 

18 hours ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Fing love it

 

"The Satanic Temple stands ready to assist any member that shares its deeply-held religious convictions regarding the right to reproductive freedom,” the organization noted on its website.

"Accordingly, we encourage any member who resides in Texas and wishes to undergo the Satanic Abortion Ritual within the first 24 weeks of pregnancy to contact The Satanic Temple so we may help them fight this law directly,” it added

 

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_6132e856e4b05f53eda815e7?ncid=NEWSSTAND0001

Yeah this one made me laugh hard.  Actively cheering for the Satanists is very 2021.

22 hours ago, The_Omega said:

I’m not sure how you would compromise when you’re certain that life begins at conception. 

And others emotional beliefs are just as valid

we cant measure life can we? 

2 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

And others emotional beliefs are just as valid

we cant measure life can we? 

If so, I want to be one of the ones measuring, rather than being measured (that’s what she said).

 

4 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

If so, I want to be one of the ones measuring, rather than being measured (that’s what she said).

Because your emotion >>> someone else’s?

make it not a child. Was schiavo alive?

10 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Because your emotion >>> someone else’s?

make it not a child. Was schiavo alive?

That’s a bad comparison. If you’re advocating measuring, then I’m going to assume that potential would factor in. You can’t compare Schaivos potential with that of an unborn child. And I reject the notion that believing life begins at conception is based on emotion. It’s based on one of the most obvious benchmarks.

A six week old baby wouldn’t survive outside the womb though.  That’s not a stance based on emotion either…

1 hour ago, Dave Moss said:

A six week old baby wouldn’t survive outside the womb though.  That’s not a stance based on emotion either…

And neither will a 10 month old baby. They all need parental support. Because they're babies.

1 hour ago, Dave Moss said:

A six week old baby wouldn’t survive outside the womb though.  That’s not a stance based on emotion either…

So you’re saying that life has not yet begun at 6 weeks after birth?

6 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

So you’re saying that life has not yet begun at 6 weeks after birth?

Who said anything about after birth?  Or are you admitting that’s when life begins now?  Honestly, I can’t keep up.

2 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

So you’re saying that life has not yet begun at 6 weeks after birth?

I'm pretty sure he's saying that 6 weeks after conception, the baby will not survive outside of the womb.

Which seems irrelevant in a moral sense. The question is when does life begin? After that point abortion is murder. That it might be inconvenient to carry the child to term, or a perceived burden, or anything else, is irrelevant. 

1 minute ago, Dave Moss said:

Who said anything about after birth?  Or are you admitting that’s when life begins now.  Honestly, I can’t keep up.

You’re right, my bad. 

1 hour ago, The_Omega said:

That’s a bad comparison. If you’re advocating measuring, then I’m going to assume that potential would factor in. You can’t compare Schaivos potential with that of an unborn child. And I reject the notion that believing life begins at conception is based on emotion. It’s based on one of the most obvious benchmarks.

Silly argument. its either alive or it isnt.

Are you going to pay their potential welfare?

and your rejection is invalid. Its an arbitrary point on a continuum. Nothing obvious or objective about it

Just now, ToastJenkins said:

Silly argument. its either alive or it isnt.

Are you going to pay their potential welfare?

and your rejection is invalid. Its an arbitrary point on a continuum. Nothing obvious or objective about it

I'm sorry, but when discussing when life begins, the moment when that spark happens, at conception, is hardly an arbitrary point on any continuum.  Claiming it's an arbitrary point is a silly argument.  It's the beginning of that f'ing timeline

32 minutes ago, TEW said:

I'm pretty sure he's saying that 6 weeks after conception, the baby will not survive outside of the womb.

Which seems irrelevant in a moral sense. The question is when does life begin? After that point abortion is murder. That it might be inconvenient to carry the child to term, or a perceived burden, or anything else, is irrelevant. 

Nope.  You can't get divorced if you don't marry and you can't get murdered if you're not born.  Being born successfully is a thing.  We celebrate it all the time.  

17 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

I'm sorry, but when discussing when life begins, the moment when that spark happens, at conception, is hardly an arbitrary point on any continuum.  Claiming it's an arbitrary point is a silly argument.  It's the beginning of that f'ing timeline

Emotional nonsense. Its effectively a parasite for a long time after that.

one cell is not a human. It can become one perhaps.

42 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

I'm sorry, but when discussing when life begins, the moment when that spark happens, at conception, is hardly an arbitrary point on any continuum.  Claiming it's an arbitrary point is a silly argument.  It's the beginning of that f'ing timeline

My sperms are alive before that.  Dey wigglin my balls right now.  Then at conception it becomes an emryo.  Then it keeps evolving after that until it is BORN as a human.  And that is how we have recorded human lifespans throughout history.  You are successfully born, you live your human life, and then you die.

41 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

Nope.  You can't get divorced if you don't marry and you can't get murdered if you're not born.  Being born successfully is a thing.  We celebrate it all the time.  

Wrong.

You can be charged with homicide for killing an unborn baby.

 

18 minutes ago, TEW said:

Wrong.

You can be charged with homicide for killing an unborn baby.

 

Too far to the other extreme indeed

but the whole reason to not legislate this is that we are far from consensus on it

let it be between them and their god. This is nothing but religious zealotry