April 9, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, rambo said: Is gender reassignment considered medically necessary yet? I believe so if a psychiatric professional determines it to be in the best interest of a person's mental health.
April 9, 20214 yr Just now, vikas83 said: Look, I'm hardly one to defend President Man-Baby, but studying a historical figure doesn't mean you admired him. I have books on Hitler, Stalin, Mao, etc. Hell, I even have a copy of Mein Kampf on my bookshelf. It's because I am a student of history and fascinated about how monsters like these seize power. I agree. Go back and read how this discussion even started lol. By some idiots standards in this thread, you obviously admire Hitler also.
April 9, 20214 yr 5 minutes ago, vikas83 said: I have books on Hitler, Stalin, Mao, etc. Hell, I even have a copy of Mein Kampf on my bookshelf. I read Mein Kampf in 11th grade for a book report. It's quite fascinating it you cut through the tangential bat$hit ramblings. My teacher was fully supportive of the endeavor. I can't remember if I chose it on my own or it picked it off of a list. Either way, I can't help but think that a high schooler today might face some difficulties if not outright reprimand for choosing such a book. BTW, first edition of that book is worth major money. You could put it up next to your Polos, lol.
April 9, 20214 yr 13 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: How is that any different than employer-provided health insurance covering any other type of procedure deemed medically necessary? i think it's completely different and if the change is needed to keep them sane, then medically discharge them.
April 9, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, Alpha_TATEr said: i think it's completely different and if the change is needed to keep them sane, then medically discharge them. Does the military typically do this to people in need of mental health treatment?
April 9, 20214 yr I do not believe the military should pay for gender changing or cosmetic surgery not related to active duty injury.
April 9, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Does the military typically do this to people in need of mental health treatment? not sure, but if not, they should. this is the military, not walmart.
April 9, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said: not sure, but if not, they should. this is the military, not walmart. Well, if they don't, then it be pretty blatantly discriminatory against a particular group. I'm confused, though, because you just said you have no problem with them serving in the military but don't want them paying for the surgery. That would imply that they can serve if they pay for it themselves. But now you're indicating that you'd consider anyone in need of gender reassignment to be automatically unfit. Which is it?
April 9, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Well, if they don't, then it be pretty blatantly discriminatory against a particular group. I'm confused, though, because you just said you have no problem with them serving in the military but don't want them paying for the surgery. That would imply that they can sere if they pay for it themselves. But now you're indicating that you'd consider anyone in need of gender reassignment to be automatically unfit. Which is it? If it's driving them to the point of a mental breakdown that they have a D and want a V or vice versa I'd argue that they are mentally unstable and not fit for duty. Gender dysphoria is real. It's military service. It's not something that is for the mentally weak. If you're to worried about your genitalia being wrong I'd say you're in the wrong profession. Vets have plenty of mental issues related to war in particular PTSD. Let's focus on that first.
April 9, 20214 yr Just now, rambo said: If it's driving them to the point of a mental breakdown that they have a D and want a V or vice versa I'd argue that they are mentally unstable and not fit for duty. Gender dysphoria is real. It's military service. It's not something that is for the mentally weak. If you're to worried about your genitalia being wrong I'd say you're in the wrong profession. Vets have plenty of mental issues related to war in particular PTSD. Let's focus on that first. agreed. again i have no issue at all with a transgender serving in the military, assuming they are "post op", but our armed forces cant become a sex change factory.
April 9, 20214 yr 14 minutes ago, rambo said: If it's driving them to the point of a mental breakdown that they have a D and want a V or vice versa I'd argue that they are mentally unstable and not fit for duty. Gender dysphoria is real. It's military service. It's not something that is for the mentally weak. If you're to worried about your genitalia being wrong I'd say you're in the wrong profession. Vets have plenty of mental issues related to war in particular PTSD. Let's focus on that first. There are all kinds of mental health conditions that I'm sure people are serving with in the military, though. Not every job is a combat role. There are plenty of administrative positions. There are so many screenings and fitness tests that recruits go through that it shouldn't really be an issue who or what they are. Transgender or not, people who are unfit will either be weeded out or assigned to the appropriate roles through the normal battery of qualification protocols. No need to make it conditional to particular mental health ailments.
April 9, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: There are all kinds of mental health conditions that I'm sure people are serving with in the military, though. Not every job is a combat role. There are plenty of administrative positions. There are so many screenings and fitness tests that recruits go through that it shouldn't really be an issue who or what they are. Transgender or not, people who are unfit will either be weeded out or assigned to the appropriate roles through the normal battery of qualification protocols. No need to make it conditional to particular mental health ailments. Hey if a transgender can make it through everything then fine. That probably means it's cosmetic surgery for them and not an urgent mental health issue. Let's save the cosmetic surgery for those injured in the line of duty.
April 9, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, rambo said: Hey if a transgender can make it through everything then fine. That probably means it's cosmetic surgery for them and not an urgent mental health issue. Let's save the cosmetic surgery for those injured in the line of duty. I also support 1 test, male or female, to qualify for any military position.
April 9, 20214 yr 30 minutes ago, Toastrel said: I also support 1 test, male or female, to qualify for any military position. What kind of bigot thinks there’s only two genders?!?!?!?
April 9, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said: What kind of bigot thinks there’s only two genders?!?!?!? We need more soldiers who identify as Apache helicopters imo.
April 9, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, EaglesRocker97 said: There are plenty of administrative positions. Private bone spurs must not have gotten that memo.
April 10, 20214 yr 17 hours ago, EaglesRocker97 said: There are all kinds of mental health conditions that I'm sure people are serving with in the military, though. Not every job is a combat role. There are plenty of administrative positions. There are so many screenings and fitness tests that recruits go through that it shouldn't really be an issue who or what they are. Transgender or not, people who are unfit will either be weeded out or assigned to the appropriate roles through the normal battery of qualification protocols. No need to make it conditional to particular mental health ailments. Every position in the military outside of being a Chaplain requires you to be deployment ready (able to carry a gun if it comes to it even for POG jobs). There's very clear cut, black and white guidance on requirements for arming within the military. To cover a question you asked earlier about it being a medical necessity. Given the statistics surrounding suicides and buyers remorse post op, it will never be a medical necessity. The brain requires chemical balance to function properly in most normal life scenarios, let alone military scenarios.
April 10, 20214 yr 17 hours ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Does the military typically do this to people in need of mental health treatment? Yes, it's what in theory the VA/disability/medical retirement is for. The military isn't a long term rehabilitation clinic. There's processes in place inside to help you to a certain extent. Once you reach a certain point the cord gets cut though. Same thing as any other debilitating medical condition in any front line job.
April 10, 20214 yr 14 hours ago, rambo said: We need more soldiers who identify as Apache helicopters imo. Apaches are great but I prefer an A10 behind me.
April 10, 20214 yr 17 hours ago, EaglesRocker97 said: There are all kinds of mental health conditions that I'm sure people are serving with in the military, though. Not every job is a combat role. There are plenty of administrative positions. There are so many screenings and fitness tests that recruits go through that it shouldn't really be an issue who or what they are. Transgender or not, people who are unfit will either be weeded out or assigned to the appropriate roles through the normal battery of qualification protocols. No need to make it conditional to particular mental health ailments. I mentioned it a minute ago, Chaplains are the only profession in the military that you can't be expected to tote a gun if it comes to it. Even medical can be asked to ditch the protective red cross sometimes to jump in the ish.
April 10, 20214 yr 17 hours ago, EaglesRocker97 said: There are all kinds of mental health conditions that I'm sure people are serving with in the military, though. Not every job is a combat role. There are plenty of administrative positions. There are so many screenings and fitness tests that recruits go through that it shouldn't really be an issue who or what they are. Transgender or not, people who are unfit will either be weeded out or assigned to the appropriate roles through the normal battery of qualification protocols. No need to make it conditional to particular mental health ailments. What branch were you in?
April 10, 20214 yr 3 hours ago, Bill said: What branch were you in? None, why the hell does it matter?
April 10, 20214 yr 4 hours ago, Wentz_Era said: I mentioned it a minute ago, Chaplains are the only profession in the military that you can't be expected to tote a gun if it comes to it. Even medical can be asked to ditch the protective red cross sometimes to jump in the ish. Ok, so just because someone has a mental health condition, they can't be expected ever properly function with a firearm? Seems like a blanket statement in need of evidence to support such a contention, because there are certainly many soldiers in the military right now managing some kind of mental health ailment and serving admirably.
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