Wasn't IE4 a school psychologist?

On 12/5/2021 at 8:07 PM, The_Omega said:

All about the root causes, until your policies are directly implicated in 2 mass murders in a matter of weeks, then don’t you dare talk about the root causes. God you all are horrible human beings. Just self-absorbed scum.

Yikes...

You guys would tell me if I ever started posting particularly crazy crap like this, right? 

4 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

Drawing a picture of a person getting killed with a gun saying help me? Yes. For at the least a day and require him to see a shrink

I think he also had a drawing of saying his life was worthless or something

Honestly, I have a few friends who are administrators and teachers in public schools. The problem is the schools are terrified of being sued by the parents. They suspend the kid after the parents refused to take him out of class, and they likely get sued and settle. 

7 hours ago, vikas83 said:

Honestly, I have a few friends who are administrators and teachers in public schools. The problem is the schools are terrified of being sued by the parents. They suspend the kid after the parents refused to take him out of class, and they likely get sued and settle. 

You think that even with the drawings and the kid looking up ammo on the internet?

probably already been asked, but how did he get this gun into school ? 

13 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

You think that even with the drawings and the kid looking up ammo on the internet?

I do. The school has cause to suspend the student, this stuff should be forbidden in school code. But they could also be sued by the parents and penalized for denying the kid's education. There is typically progressive discipline involved before suspension, and that would involve a conference and cooperation from the parents. In hindsight we know the kid was dangerous, but did the school exhaust all options to get the kid kicked out?

Also, depending on the nature of threats that were made, the school or any individuals threatened could have police involved. Did authorities follow up enough on the family?

11 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

probably already been asked, but how did he get this gun into school ? 

In his bacpack which the parents could have checked that day when they were called into the school

4 minutes ago, toolg said:

I do. The school has cause to suspend the student, this stuff should be forbidden in school code. But they could also be sued by the parents and penalized for denying the kid's education. There is typically progressive discipline involved before suspension, and that would involve a conference and cooperation from the parents. In hindsight we know the kid was dangerous, but did the school exhaust all options to get the kid kicked out?

Also, depending on the nature of threats that were made, the school or any individuals threatened could have police involved. Did authorities follow up enough on the family?

Not IMO

Don't know if the school notified authorities of the drawings or looking up ammo. Good question

8 hours ago, vikas83 said:

Honestly, I have a few friends who are administrators and teachers in public schools. The problem is the schools are terrified of being sued by the parents. They suspend the kid after the parents refused to take him out of class, and they likely get sued and settle. 

This is correct.  And even if the kid is a threat, if they have a doctor that says that the behavior the school is concerned about is tied to a disability the child has, they'll get sued and lose if they suspend or expel them.  This is unfortunately one of those things people outside of schools don't know about because no one can discuss the kids medical and personal situations.  It is incredibly difficult for a school to get rid of a disturbed kid who is a threat if the parents fight it.

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

Not IMO

Don't know if the school notified authorities of the drawings or looking up ammo. Good question

The note should have been enough for the school to report it to police.  We got a visit from the local police because the school found a piece of paper with a list of names similar to the anime Death Note with my son's name on it.  Turns out it was one of his friends messing around who accidentally dropped it but as soon as the school found it, it was reported and investigated by the local PD.

16 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Not IMO

Don't know if the school notified authorities of the drawings or looking up ammo. Good question

The looking up ammo thing, in a vacuum, would be tricky. Who's to say he wasn't just looking up ammunition for when he and his dad went hunting? The family was clearly really into gun culture. And half of our society are massive proponents of gun culture. So, just putting myself in a teacher's spot, I might say something to the student and then email the family saying, "Hey, he's got to do this on his own time." 

I'd have a hard time risking my own career over misidentifying a gun-nutter hillbilly with an actual threat.

Could you imagine kicking a kid out of school for looking up ammo? Yeah, I'm sure that wouldn't be politicized to high hell.

16 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

The looking up ammo thing, in a vacuum, would be tricky. Who's to say he wasn't just looking up ammunition for when he and his dad went hunting? The family was clearly really into gun culture. And half of our society are massive proponents of gun culture. So, just putting myself in a teacher's spot, I might say something to the student and then email the family saying, "Hey, he's got to do this on his own time." 

I'd have a hard time risking my own career over misidentifying a gun-nutter hillbilly with an actual threat.

There's certain things kids aren't supposed to be looking up at school though. I'm sure there's prohibited things in their code of conduct or something

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

There's certain things kids aren't supposed to be looking up at school though. I'm sure there's prohibited things in their code of conduct or something

So you think a kid should be suspended from school for looking up ammo on his phone?

6 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

So you think a kid should be suspended from school for looking up ammo on his phone?

In addition to drawing a picture of a person being shot to death saying help me and a drawing of saying his life is worthless

45 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

In his bacpack which the parents could have checked that day when they were called into the school

yeah i get that, my point is how did he get into school with it ? how do we still have schools without metal detectors ?

8 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

how do we still have schools without metal detectors ?

Wut

9 hours ago, vikas83 said:

Honestly, I have a few friends who are administrators and teachers in public schools. The problem is the schools are terrified of being sued by the parents. They suspend the kid after the parents refused to take him out of class, and they likely get sued and settle. 

This. When I was a teacher I didn't go a week without some punk kid threatening to shoot me. There was a 22 year old girl fresh out of college teaching next door to me. 19 year old 8th grader picked her up by her neck and slammed her against the wall and threatened to kill her. He was back in her classroom the next day (and she subsequently quit). 

26 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

Could you imagine kicking a kid out of school for looking up ammo? Yeah, I'm sure that wouldn't be politicized to high hell.

If they had, he could be interning for Matt Gaetz instead of in jail. 

17 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

In addition to drawing a picture of a person being shot to death saying help me and a drawing of saying his life is worthless

Well there wasn't exactly a lot of time between the school talking to the parents first about it and him shooting the school up, right? I just find it incredibly silly that we think suspending this kid for a few days would have prevented this. This is 100% squarely on the parents.

1 minute ago, Paul852 said:

Well there wasn't exactly a lot of time between the school talking to the parents first about it and him shooting the school up, right? I just find it incredibly silly that we think suspending this kid for a few days would have prevented this. This is 100% squarely on the parents.

I think there's many factors that could have helped to prevent it

Agree to disagree

3 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

Well there wasn't exactly a lot of time between the school talking to the parents first about it and him shooting the school up, right? I just find it incredibly silly that we think suspending this kid for a few days would have prevented this. This is 100% squarely on the parents.

Well that and Democratic policies.  You have blood on your hands, Paul.  

On 12/3/2021 at 4:08 PM, we_gotta_believe said:

They abandoned him long before today. That's been painfully clear. What's even more clear, is that Biden's liberal policies did this.

 

On 12/5/2021 at 7:14 PM, The_Omega said:

His parents definitely earned their rep, but we also have to give a shout out to the progressive Democrat policies that kept the school from kicking him out and notifying the police. Keep giving obviously dangerous people more and more chances. It’s working out so well.

Literally beyond parody.

58 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

There's certain things kids aren't supposed to be looking up at school though. I'm sure there's prohibited things in their code of conduct or something

Generally that falls under an "acceptable use" policy. Acceptable use policies apply to anyone using an asset covered by that policy. A student's phone accessing the carrier 4G/5G connection does not fall under the "acceptable use" policy.

48 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Because it's America, comrade.  

 

The parents knew he had the gun.  The school knew there signs and they didn't include the resource officer in the meetings.  That is where all of the kids belongings should have been checked.  Locker...backpack...whatever.  Parents can rot in hell....they both seem like pieces of crap.  

yeah, its america and people need to pull their heads out of their asses and realize no school is immune to this. as horrible as it is to admit, this is where we are. 

this situation is a mess. ultimately the parents knew the kid had issues and still bought him a gun. they need the book thrown at them. f'ng scum.