Just now, Alpha_TATEr said:

metal detectors in no way eliminate the problem, but they would definitely help matters. the issues that cause people to go nuts and the issue of those people getting access to guns can still be debated, in the meantime this could help. 

How?

4 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

How?

that's a retarded question that doesnt deserve to be answered.

 

how may times has it been revealed that tha school shooter snuck a gun through a side entrance that said student held open with a pen to sneak the gun in ?  

Just now, Alpha_TATEr said:

that's a retarded question that doesnt deserve to be answered.

 

how may times was it revealed that the shooter snuck a gun through a side entrance that said student held open with a pen to sneak the gun in ?  

That's a great argument dude. You really proved your point. Your intelligence knows no bounds.

1 minute ago, Paul852 said:

That's a great argument dude. You really proved your point. Your intelligence knows no bounds.

asking that question proved your lack of intelligence. dont be upset i didnt waste my time. 

 

2 hours ago, Shepard Wong said:

This is correct.  And even if the kid is a threat, if they have a doctor that says that the behavior the school is concerned about is tied to a disability the child has, they'll get sued and lose if they suspend or expel them.  This is unfortunately one of those things people outside of schools don't know about because no one can discuss the kids medical and personal situations.  It is incredibly difficult for a school to get rid of a disturbed kid who is a threat if the parents fight it.

that's insane. how did our nation get so litigious? and is there any way to actually roll back any of that? it's one thing to make sure there are protections in place to ensure we can hold parties responsible for their actions, but if you go too far you then have decisions being made out of fear of absurd litigation that result in demonstrably worse outcomes.

This argument reminds me of the "start Minshew” discussions on Philly sports talk radio

 

What is more effective? Metal detectors stopping school shootings, or masks preventing coronavirus?

18 minutes ago, BirdsFanBill said:

What is more effective? Metal detectors stopping school shootings, or masks preventing coronavirus?

eleventy-six. 

 

21 minutes ago, BirdsFanBill said:

What is more effective? Metal detectors stopping school shootings, or masks preventing coronavirus?

31 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

asking that question proved your lack of intelligence. dont be upset i didnt waste my time. 

 

You've already conceded that if a kid wants to get a gun into school he will get around the metal detectors. So once again, I ask, how will metal detectors help prevent this in the future?

35 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

that's insane. how did our nation get so litigious? and is there any way to actually roll back any of that? it's one thing to make sure there are protections in place to ensure we can hold parties responsible for their actions, but if you go too far you then have decisions being made out of fear of absurd litigation that result in demonstrably worse outcomes.

Yes -- make the loser pay the winner's legal costs in any civil case. But that will never happen because Democrats won't allow it. They'll say it is because this prevent the little guy from ever bringing a lawsuit. The real answer is because they get tons of money from the trial attorneys.

14 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Yes -- make the loser pay the winner's legal costs in any civil case. But that will never happen because Democrats won't allow it. They'll say it is because this prevent the little guy from ever bringing a lawsuit. The real answer is because they get tons of money from the trial attorneys.

Is that tort reform? That was a bigger issue in politics like 20 years ago, when I was devoting more attention to getting laid than ... well, anything else really.

Having a wife means I don't have to go out to bars for rejection, now I can do it from the convenience of my own house.

27 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Yes -- make the loser pay the winner's legal costs in any civil case. But that will never happen because Democrats won't allow it. They'll say it is because this prevent the little guy from ever bringing a lawsuit. The real answer is because they get tons of money from the trial attorneys.

I would also suggest that punitive damages should no longer go to the plaintiff to reduce the jackpot mentality of lawsuits.  You get what you can prove you lost and that's it.  The question is what to do with the punitive damages.  They could be used to help fund social programs at multiple levels of government and offset some tax burden/debt.

43 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

You've already conceded that if a kid wants to get a gun into school he will get around the metal detectors. So once again, I ask, how will metal detectors help prevent this in the future?

i admitted nothing is full proof. you made the absolute claim that metal detectors would do NOTHING and then brought a scenario that has never happened to try and back up said claim. 

you made the ridiculous statement not me, but if you wish to know how they can help stop these situations why not go google guns seized at school from metal detector. every gun seized is how. 

3 minutes ago, Shepard Wong said:

I would also suggest that punitive damages should no longer go to the plaintiff to reduce the jackpot mentality of lawsuits.  You get what you can prove you lost and that's it.  The question is what to do with the punitive damages.  They could be used to help fund social programs at multiple levels of government and offset some tax burden/debt.

this makes a ton of sense should expect it to never happen. 

1 minute ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

i admitted nothing is full proof. you made the absolute claim that metal detectors would do NOTHING and then brought a scenario that has never happened to try and back up said claim. 

you made the ridiculous statement not me, but if you wish to know how they can help stop these situations why not go google guns seized at school from metal detector. every gun seized is how. 

Nah, that's a lame argument. Metal detectors will do nothing to stop a kid who wants to execute mass shootings. They plan it out meticulously. The Columbine kids planned to pull fire alarms and take kids out that way as they left the school. You will NEVER prevent a premeditated mass shooting with metal detectors (unless it's a random surprise check).

Metal detectors work probably about as well as posting the "Gun Free School Zone" signs around the building. 

4 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Metal detectors work probably about as well as posting the "Gun Free School Zone" signs around the building. 

Sir, your posting game is on point today. Keep it up.

2 hours ago, Paul852 said:

Metal detectors will do nothing. There are other entrances to schools. When I was in school (with metal detectors) kids used to put pens in the side entrances and then come back through that entrance. This was always so they could go get lunch at the local pizza shop but it's really easy to circumvent a metal detector at the front entrance.

I agree with you. Also if you treat students like convicted felons, they're more likely to act that way. 

27 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Metal detectors work probably about as well as posting the "Gun Free School Zone" signs around the building. 

That's 2 posts in one thread I agree with. 

1 hour ago, Shepard Wong said:

I would also suggest that punitive damages should no longer go to the plaintiff to reduce the jackpot mentality of lawsuits.  You get what you can prove you lost and that's it.  The question is what to do with the punitive damages.  They could be used to help fund social programs at multiple levels of government and offset some tax burden/debt.

I think that provides too much of an incentive to awards insane sums of money to the government for no reason. The last thing we need right now is to give the judiciary a political incentive. They're the last remaining leg of our government that people generally respect.

1 hour ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

I think that provides too much of an incentive to awards insane sums of money to the government for no reason. The last thing we need right now is to give the judiciary a political incentive. They're the last remaining leg of our government that people generally respect.

I appreciate that concern but remember it's the jury that decides the amount of punitive damages and in reality, I think punitive award amounts are currently being deflated because people view it as a sum of money to be given to the plaintiff instead of focusing on what would be an appropriate amount for punitive purposes.  Eliminating the "does this person deserve that much money" factor from the evaluation would allow jurors to focus primarily on finding a level that is appropriate punishment amount for that specific defendant and the severity of the issue at hand.

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/student-wounded-in-oxford-high-shooting-to-sue-school-district-with-family-for-dollar100-million/ar-AARE7zb?li=BBnb7Kz

DETROIT — A student shot in the neck during the Oxford High School shooting and her family plans to sue the school district, claiming school officials did not do enough to protect its students. 

The federal suit on behalf of Riley Franz and her family is asking the district for $100 million. Attorney Geoffrey Fieger said in a press release that he intends to file two suits on Thursday morning. Oxford Community Schools did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Thursday morning.

Riley and her younger sister Bella, also named in the suit, are experiencing post-traumatic stress disorder, according to the claim. Bella "narrowly escaped the bullets" and watched her sister get shot.

Defendants in the suit include the Oxford Community School District, Oxford High Principal Steven Wolf, Superintendent Tim Throne, two unnamed counselors, one unnamed staff member and two unnamed teachers.

The lawsuit claims school officials’ could have taken action to remove Crumbley from school after an educator spotted him searching for ammunition, and again after finding the gruesome note.

 

Can't find the thread but the jury are recommending that the Parkland shooter gets life in prison

6 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Can't find the thread but the Parkland shooter gets life in prison

Pretty high bar they've set on what qualifies someone for the death penalty.