October 6, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, Toastrel said: To you, maybe not. To the morons telling us a good guy with a gun is all we need, probably not. Who says a good guy with a gun is all we need? Anyone who says that, speak up. Please. While we're wasting time in dementia land, tell me, since the Covid-19 vaccine doesn't stop everyone to gets it from catching Covid and dying, does that mean that the people who promote it are wrong?
October 6, 20214 yr Just now, The_Omega said: Who says a good guy with a gun is all we need? Yes, you have never heard those words before in reference to shootings. Uh huh. Got any more lies to tell today?
October 6, 20214 yr Just now, Toastrel said: Yes, you have never heard those words before in reference to shootings. Uh huh. Got any more lies to tell today? I, personally, have never heard that. Admittedly, I don't hear voices when no one else is around, so I'm probably at a bit of a disadvantage here.
October 6, 20214 yr 23 minutes ago, Toastrel said: To you, maybe not. To the morons telling us a good guy with a gun is all we need, probably not. I seem to recall, a good guy with a gun (Trump - NRA) didn't prevent a mass shooting even though he was present and could of acted. Don't recall the facts or which incident since there are so many of them. https://abcnews.go.com/US/breaking-nra-backed-theory-good-guy-gun-stops/story?id=53360480https://thecrimereport.org/2020/07/24/1030314/ "Contrary to the common ‘good guy with a gun’ argument, mass shootings were no more or less likely to occur in areas with more permissive concealed carry laws,” according to a researcher writing in the Justice Quarterly journal. In fact, states that have passed permissive concealed carry legislation experience higher rates of gun homicides than states without such laws, writes Emma E. Fridel, an assistant professor in the College of Criminology and Criminal Justice at Florida State University. In her study, which examines the effects of household gun ownership and concealed carry legislation on the rates of mass shootings and firearm homicides in all 50 states between 1991 and 2016, Fridel found that a disproportionate number of mass shootings occur in states with higher levels of gun ownership. (Gee There's a F'n Surprise)
October 6, 20214 yr 15 minutes ago, The_Omega said: I, personally, have never heard that. Admittedly, I don't hear voices when no one else is around, so I'm probably at a bit of a disadvantage here. I'm not getting into this but it is a thing.
October 6, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: I seem to recall, a good guy with a gun didn't prevent a mass shooting even though he was present and could of acted. Don't recall the facts or which incident since there are so many of them.
October 6, 20214 yr 43 minutes ago, Toastrel said: I've been told repeatedly that good guys with guns solve this sort of problem. Yet in Texas, we see it is not so. Gun free zone no?
October 6, 20214 yr Just now, Bwestbrook36 said: I'm not getting into this but it is a thing. Anti-2nd amendment Democrats create a satirical meme to mock 2nd amendment supporters, then turn it around and claim that 2nd amendment supporters say it. This I believe.
October 6, 20214 yr 6 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said: I'm not getting into this but it is a thing. I was about to post the same video. LOL.
October 6, 20214 yr 7 minutes ago, The_Omega said: Just shows that the NRA and Trump who said a good guy with a gun can stop it, are wrong.
October 6, 20214 yr Yes, good guys with guns can prevent bad guys with guns from killing people in certain situations. No, that does not mean every second amendment supporter thinks that every gun crime can magically be prevented by a good guy with a gun. Did that actually need to be explained? Is it me or are ishlibs becoming more retarded every day? what the actual eff.
October 6, 20214 yr hopefully there won't be any fatalities from this one. i haven't read any updates on the person who was earlier reported in critical condition.
October 6, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Alpha_TATEr said: i haven't see too many details on this, but my 1st question is, how did he get this gun into the school? Every school doesn't have metal detectors
October 6, 20214 yr 5 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: Just shows that the NRA and Trump who said a good guy with a gun can stop it, are wrong. Or the people who prevent good guys with guns from bringing them into schools are wrong. Maybe you're right, maybe we need to start letting good guys with guns carry them into schools. While we're at it, maybe we should make it illegal for students to bring guns to school.
October 6, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, The_Omega said: Or the people who prevent good guys with guns from bringing them into schools are wrong. Maybe you're right, maybe we need to start letting good guys with guns carry them into schools. While we're at it, maybe we should make it illegal for students to bring guns to school. The school.i went too taught kids to throw rocks in gym class. #Problemsolved
October 6, 20214 yr He was 18 so he's old enough to get a gun. Don't know if it was legally obtained though
October 6, 20214 yr 24 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: I seem to recall, a good guy with a gun (Trump - NRA) didn't prevent a mass shooting even though he was present and could of acted. Don't recall the facts or which incident since there are so many of them. https://abcnews.go.com/US/breaking-nra-backed-theory-good-guy-gun-stops/story?id=53360480https://thecrimereport.org/2020/07/24/1030314/ "Contrary to the common ‘good guy with a gun’ argument, mass shootings were no more or less likely to occur in areas with more permissive concealed carry laws,” according to a researcher writing in the Justice Quarterly journal. In fact, states that have passed permissive concealed carry legislation experience higher rates of gun homicides than states without such laws, writes Emma E. Fridel, an assistant professor in the College of Criminology and Criminal Justice at Florida State University. In her study, which examines the effects of household gun ownership and concealed carry legislation on the rates of mass shootings and firearm homicides in all 50 states between 1991 and 2016, Fridel found that a disproportionate number of mass shootings occur in states with higher levels of gun ownership. (Gee There's a F'n Surprise) Quote Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million, in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008. Another study estimates there are 1,029,615 DGUs per year "for self-protection or for the protection of property at home, work, or elsewhere” excluding "military service, police work, or work as a security guard,” (within the range of the National Academies’ paper), yielding an estimate of 162,000 cases per year where someone "almost certainly would have been killed” if they "had not used a gun for protection.” (In comparison, there were 11,208 homicide deaths by firearms)
October 6, 20214 yr Uh, I've heard the good guy with a gun arguments from plenty of 2nd amendment supporters - including family members who have made the argument to my face. Do you not recall people arguing that we have to arm teachers after Sandy Hook? Freaking Trump even argued that what we need are armed teachers. This is not even long enough ago to be history people forgot. This is contemporary news.
October 6, 20214 yr that "study" was a phone poll from 1993 with this disclaimer...results pertaining to the details of DGU incidents are based on 213 or fewer sample cases, and readers should treat these results with appropriate caution. yikes.
October 6, 20214 yr FFS: https://abcnews.go.com/US/breaking-nra-backed-theory-good-guy-gun-stops/story?id=53360480 That idea of armed guards, or armed teachers, as a solution to gun violence often seems to come up in the wake of mass shootings, echoing National Rifle Association chief Wayne LaPierre's long-touted notion that "the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with a good guy with a gun.” LaPierre famously made those remark after the Sandy Hook school shooting in 2012 that killed 20 children and six school staff, and reiterated it in February after the shooting at a Parkland, Florida, high school that left 17 dead. This phrase didn't start with left wingers lampooning gun rights activists. It's a slogan proffered by the freaking NRA.
October 6, 20214 yr https://www.npr.org/2012/12/21/167824766/nra-only-thing-that-stops-a-bad-guy-with-a-gun-is-a-good-guy-with-a-gun So can we all agree that arming teachers would be incredibly stupid and that a lot of these gun rights nuts are, indeed, nuts?
October 6, 20214 yr 38 minutes ago, The_Omega said: Anti-2nd amendment Democrats create a satirical meme to mock 2nd amendment supporters, then turn it around and claim that 2nd amendment supporters say it. This I believe. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-the-quickest-way-to-stop-a-bad-guy-with-a-gun-is-a-good-guy-with-a-gun-pence-says-at-nra-convention Just a video of Democrat Mike Pence creating a satirical meme to mock 2nd amendment supporters at an NRA event.
October 6, 20214 yr 26 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: https://www.npr.org/2012/12/21/167824766/nra-only-thing-that-stops-a-bad-guy-with-a-gun-is-a-good-guy-with-a-gun So can we all agree that arming teachers would be incredibly stupid and that a lot of these gun rights nuts are, indeed, nuts? Yes and people that are not looking to harm anyone are usually never ready for the nut job that is looking to harm you. There is a reason people in the military suffer from PTSD because they had to kill people. Normal people are not in that mind set and it messes you up really bad. My ex brother in law and wife always talked a big game when it came to having guns in the house and how they wouldn't hesitate and just shoot someone immediately. They weren't worried about it..... Well the sister in law worked at a bank and one day a robber came in pulled out a gun and she pissed herself and passed out instantly lmao.
October 6, 20214 yr Good guy vs bad guy, bad guy vs bad guy, good guy vs good guy, all these play out with people dead or injured. It’s epidemic in the US and nobody wants to work on root causes or enact some sane Gun control legislation. We need more mental health facilities and gun laws that actually protect the public. Yes, inequalities, poverty, domestic abuse and a hundred other reasons. Can we come together to at least start chipping away at some of these ?
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