October 6, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, JohnSnowsHair said: https://www.npr.org/2012/12/21/167824766/nra-only-thing-that-stops-a-bad-guy-with-a-gun-is-a-good-guy-with-a-gun So can we all agree that arming teachers would be incredibly stupid and that a lot of these gun rights nuts are, indeed, nuts? We can all agree that dismissing it out of hand without also admitting that there have been instances where an armed teacher may have saved lives is stupid. No one wants teachers to have to arm themselves. We want our kids to be easy targets for a murderer even less. School resource officers seemed like a reasonable, if imperfect, alternative, but then you all slandered them and drove them out of the schools too. You create the target rich environment, then pretend others are crazy when a shooter takes advantage of it.
October 6, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, The_Omega said: We can all agree that dismissing it out of hand without also admitting that there have been instances where an armed teacher may have saved lives is stupid. No one wants teachers to have to arm themselves. We want our kids to be easy targets for a murderer even less. School resource officers seemed like a reasonable, if imperfect, alternative, but then you all slandered them and drove them out of the schools too. You create the target rich environment, then pretend others are crazy when a shooter takes advantage of it. Jesus dude get a grip. You tie yourselves in knots blaming liberals for everything. Go smoke some weed and chill out.
October 6, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Uh, I've heard the good guy with a gun arguments from plenty of 2nd amendment supporters - including family members who have made the argument to my face. Do you not recall people arguing that we have to arm teachers after Sandy Hook? Freaking Trump even argued that what we need are armed teachers. This is not even long enough ago to be history people forgot. This is contemporary news. They have the memory of roadkill.
October 6, 20214 yr All the fails and self-owns of Kz and procus lately made me forget zuke was the OG of self-owns. Nice to see him return to form.
October 7, 20214 yr 3 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said: FFS: https://abcnews.go.com/US/breaking-nra-backed-theory-good-guy-gun-stops/story?id=53360480 That idea of armed guards, or armed teachers, as a solution to gun violence often seems to come up in the wake of mass shootings, echoing National Rifle Association chief Wayne LaPierre's long-touted notion that "the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with a good guy with a gun.” LaPierre famously made those remark after the Sandy Hook school shooting in 2012 that killed 20 children and six school staff, and reiterated it in February after the shooting at a Parkland, Florida, high school that left 17 dead. This phrase didn't start with left wingers lampooning gun rights activists. It's a slogan proffered by the freaking NRA. Wow, I can’t believe there are people acting like "the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun” wasn’t a huge right wing/2A rallying cry with the movement to arm teachers after Sandy Hook…
October 7, 20214 yr 8 hours ago, Toastrel said: How can this happen in the land of good guys with guns? Actually, Texas has more strict gun laws than PA does. I was surprised to find you can't carry into bars down there
October 7, 20214 yr 7 hours ago, BFit said: Actually, Texas has more strict gun laws than PA does. I was surprised to find you can't carry into bars down there Quote A new pro-gun law in Texas that went into effect Wednesday allows most Texans who legally own a firearm to carry it openly in public without obtaining a permit or training, a measure that experts say will make it more challenging for law enforcement to protect the public from gun violence. I'm going out on a limb here to say that people take guns in bars in Texas all the time.
October 7, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, Toastrel said: I'm going out on a limb here to say that people take guns in bars in Texas all the time. If they do, they do so illegally, meaning that only criminals have firearms in Texas bars.
October 7, 20214 yr 23 minutes ago, Toastrel said: I'm going out on a limb here to say that people take guns in bars in Texas all the time. People do in PA as well. Doesn't mean it's legal.
October 7, 20214 yr It's also illegal in Florida to sit at a bar while carrying a firearm. Say you go to Chili's... you are allowed to sit at a table or a booth while carrying but sitting at the actual bar stool is a no no.
October 7, 20214 yr 10 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said: People do in PA as well. Doesn't mean it's legal. Perfectly legal in PA, as it should be.
October 7, 20214 yr 8 minutes ago, mr_irie1 said: It's also illegal in Florida to sit at a bar while carrying a firearm. Say you go to Chili's... you are allowed to sit at a table or a booth while carrying but sitting at the actual bar stool is a no no. Which makes sense, because as covid has taught us, sitting at a bar is dangerous. Sitting at a table is safe though
October 7, 20214 yr 20 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said: People do in PA as well. Doesn't mean it's legal. In Texas, only bars that don't serve food prohibit carry. There are 51 signs all over the state. If you bar sells food and makes 51% of their money off it, you can carry there.
October 7, 20214 yr 39 minutes ago, Toastrel said: In Texas, only bars that don't serve food prohibit carry. There are 51 signs all over the state. If you bar sells food and makes 51% of their money off it, you can carry there. Seems like they need a $0.01 beer/$2.49 dish of peanuts combo.
October 7, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, Toastrel said: I'm going out on a limb here to say that people take guns in bars in Texas all the time. You can also open carry in PA as long as you’re not in a vehicle or major city (I.e. Philadelphia or Pittsburgh) without any license or anything.
October 7, 20214 yr 14 hours ago, Talkingbirds said: Good guy vs bad guy, bad guy vs bad guy, good guy vs good guy, all these play out with people dead or injured. It’s epidemic in the US and nobody wants to work on root causes or enact some sane Gun control legislation. We need more mental health facilities and gun laws that actually protect the public. Yes, inequalities, poverty, domestic abuse and a hundred other reasons. Can we come together to at least start chipping away at some of these ? If we'd strictly enforce laws on the books already, we'd see shootings instantly plummet. But we have liberal judges and liberal DAs all over the country letting violent criminals run amok in cities nationwide. So I'm gonna say no to new laws.
October 7, 20214 yr 16 hours ago, Mike030270 said: Every school doesn't have metal detectors that's what i was getting at, how the F in this day do you not have those at a school.
October 7, 20214 yr 7 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said: that's what i was getting at, how the F in this day do you not have those at a school. Cost money and changes the look of the school
October 7, 20214 yr 7 minutes ago, Mike030270 said: Cost money and changes the look of the school well at least this school saved some coin.
October 7, 20214 yr This will certainly send the message that we will not tolerate school shootings. Arlington school shooter PARTIES at home with family after being freed on $75k bond while his victims remain in the hospital: Gunman, 18, walks free one day after shooting 15-year-old 'bully' seven times' AND teacher who broke up brawl
October 7, 20214 yr 9 minutes ago, The_Omega said: This will certainly send the message that we will not tolerate school shootings. Are you upset about the justice system 'innocent until proven guilty' for every crime?
October 7, 20214 yr 7 minutes ago, Toastrel said: Are you upset about the justice system 'innocent until proven guilty' for every crime? I’ll bet you feel the same way about the 1/6 trespassers who can’t get bail.
October 7, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, Gannan said: How in the blue hell is the shooter out on bail? Texas' everyone with guns is cool laws have to apply to everyone, even POC.
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