June 28, 20214 yr I fear the death toll is going to continue increasing as they remove more rubble. The cause of this collapse won't be known for several months. There is a law suit already.
June 28, 20214 yr Just now, jsdarkstar said: I fear the death toll is going to continue increasing as they remove more rubble. The cause of this collapse won't be known for several months. There is a law suit already. I mean if there is a liability I get that, But I'm shocked that this is happening already.
June 28, 20214 yr 11 minutes ago, greend said: I mean if there is a liability I get that, But I'm shocked that this is happening already. Yeah, the building collapse on market street in Philadelphia had suit filed quickly as well. Sometimes it takes one to figure out what happened.
June 28, 20214 yr 57 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: I fear the death toll is going to continue increasing as they remove more rubble. The cause of this collapse won't be known for several months. There is a law suit already. The death toll will no doubt increase. Part of the major problem and why there are only 9 confirmed is because most of what they are finding is remains that they have to send out for DNA testing.
June 28, 20214 yr 4 hours ago, Toastrel said: Some poor people have received 16 calls from their grandparent's land line there. Not sure which is worse, if they are dead or just trapped and waiting to die trying to dial for help. Yea, that's a bizarre story. How could a landline phone call out to someone 16 times? I can't imagine it's actually someone trapped. They would have tried someone else at some point or 911. It was also over a span of two days, if it was someone trapped and they just so happened to call the same person 16 times, you'd think it be a span of 16 minutes or less.
June 28, 20214 yr 4 hours ago, greend said: I mean if there is a liability I get that, But I'm shocked that this is happening already. Maybe you just file quickly so you can get that "preserve all documents” order out as quickly as possible?
June 28, 20214 yr It remains to be seen if any criminal charges will be filed. Also, we don't know what part the workers on the roof played. I heard they were working on the roof for awhile and residents could feel the building shake?
June 28, 20214 yr 17 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: It remains to be seen if any criminal charges will be filed. Also, we don't know what part the workers on the roof played. I heard they were working on the roof for awhile and residents could feel the building shake? How could roof work cause the entire building to come down though? Seems like that's a foundational issue to me.
June 28, 20214 yr Just now, Paul852 said: How could roof work cause the entire building to come down though? Seems like that's a foundational issue to me. don't know. Not an Engineer, if I had to guess, maybe vibrations. Again, I believe residents said during the work they could feel the building shake. I'm sure this will be investigated.
June 28, 20214 yr 14 minutes ago, Paul852 said: How could roof work cause the entire building to come down though? Seems like that's a foundational issue to me. Without knowing anything about architecture, is it possible the roof is a component in holding the structure together?
June 28, 20214 yr 10 minutes ago, Boogyman said: Without knowing anything about architecture, is it possible the roof is a component in holding the structure together? I really don't see how that would be possible with a building that big. I think the support beams would be most likely to be the problem. This prompted me to read some articles to see what the actual experts are saying and this stood out: Quote Mr. Dusenberry, whose impressions matched those of several other structural engineers who examined the video, said such a failure "would suggest a foundation-related matter — potentially corrosion or other damage at a lower level.” But he said it was not certain that corrosion was the culprit, and added that "you certainly can’t rule out a design or construction error that has survived for 40 years.” One other clue that a problem started at the bottom of the building: Immediately before the collapse, one of the residents saw a hole of sorts opening near the pool.
June 28, 20214 yr Just now, Paul852 said: I really don't see how that would be possible with a building that big. I think the support beams would be most likely to be the problem. This prompted me to read some articles to see what the actual experts are saying and this stood out: Yeah I would tend to agree, just throwing an idea out there.
June 28, 20214 yr https://nypost.com/2021/06/27/grandson-getting-calls-from-couple-missing-in-florida-building-collapse/ Grandson of couple missing in Florida building collapse getting calls from their landline
June 29, 20214 yr Major errors found two days before Miami Herald: Two days before condo collapse, a pool contractor photographed this damage in garage. https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/miami-beach/article252421658.htm l
June 29, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, DaEagles4Life said: Major errors found two days before Miami Herald: Two days before condo collapse, a pool contractor photographed this damage in garage. https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/miami-beach/article252421658.htm l First off, fix your link! Second, that's infuriating that this was ignored. Now over 160 people are dead.
June 29, 20214 yr If you were in the basement and saw huge cracks in the concrete, wouldn’t you say something? I’m saying anyone - worker, resident, inspector, etc.
June 29, 20214 yr Poorly written tweet is written poorly. Edit, looks like it was deleted. Here’s the screenshot of it:
June 29, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, RPeeteRules said: Poorly written tweet is written poorly. Edit, looks like it was deleted. Here’s the screenshot of it: It's all about being first to put out the info now
June 29, 20214 yr Living in south florida, this has been non stop on the news. From everything I have seen and heard, I am guessing that the ground where the parking garage is (thats partially under the building) gave way. Sinkhole... Erosion... one of the 2. When that ground dropped, it brought everything above it down with it. Look at some of the photos and youll see the cars that were parked in that garage are a good 4-6ft sunken down in the ground.
June 29, 20214 yr it's becoming more clear that the building ownership allowed the building to deteriorate and failed to spend any money to fix it. 'Significantly worse': Doomed Miami condo's concrete deterioration was accelerating in April, condo letter says Kyle Bagenstose and Romina Ruiz-Goiriena Mon, June 28, 2021, 9:15 PM An April letter sent from the president of the Champlain Towers South Condominium Association said that damage to the doomed building’s basement garage had "gotten significantly worse” since an inspection about two and a half years earlier and that deterioration of the building’s concrete was "accelerating.” The letter also suggested that millions of dollars in needed repairs had been a subject of frustration among residents. The letter offers a glimpse into the events leading up to the building's deadly collapse last week in Surfside, Florida, that has left 11 people dead and over 150 missing. "We have discussed, debated, and argued for years now, and will continue to do so for years to come as different items come into play,” the letter stated.
June 29, 20214 yr 11 hours ago, Dave Moss said: This photo maybe the smoking gun. It seems the Owner allowed this happen and did nothing to fix it.
June 29, 20214 yr There’s a theory the Navy’s shock tests caused the condo collapse. Experts say why it didn’t The USS Gerald R. Ford was positioned about 100 miles from Ponce Inlet in Volusia County when a 40,000 pound explosive was detonated in the water. Official video provided to the public on Twitter shows the explosion that was so intense that it registered a 3.9 in earthquake terms. “[Investigators] are going to check it out,” Abieyuwa Aghayere, a professor of forensic engineering at Drexel University, told the Miami Herald last week. Paul Earle, a Golden, Colorado-based seismologist with the U.S. Geological Survey’s National Earthquake Information Center (NEIC), said he didn’t believe the two incidents are related. "Given the size of the explosion, the distance from the building, and the time between the explosion and the collapse, we do not see any reasonable mechanism for the Navy explosion on June 18 to have triggered the collapse of the Miami Beach-area condo on June 24,” he said. "There are about 300 earthquakes of similar size to the Navy explosion in the contiguous U.S. every year, none of which have triggered a major building collapse.” Earled added that 3.9 is not classified as a large earthquake. "California has those quite often.”
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