June 29, 20214 yr A victim saw a sink Hole where the Pool was before the collapse. It happened in Real Time. Early Thursday morning, Mike Stratton awoke to the sound of his cellphone ringing. It was his wife, Cassie Stratton, on the other end, speaking frantically about their condo building shaking. She told him she saw a sinkhole where the pool out her window used to be. Then the line went dead. "It was 1:30 a.m., I’ll never, never forget that,” he said.
June 29, 20214 yr Recently added weight to the roof of the collapsed Florida condominium was the 'straw that broke the spine' of the building, a recent lawsuit alleges https://www.yahoo.com/news/recently-added-weight-roof-collapsed-173504579.html?.tsrc=fp_deeplink The lawsuit, filed by building resident Steve Rosenthal, alleges that "weight bearing load" was added atop the condo using a crane without properly testing, inspecting, and evaluating the structural integrity of the building before construction began.
June 29, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: Recently added weight to the roof of the collapsed Florida condominium was the 'straw that broke the spine' of the building, a recent lawsuit alleges https://www.yahoo.com/news/recently-added-weight-roof-collapsed-173504579.html?.tsrc=fp_deeplink The lawsuit, filed by building resident Steve Rosenthal, alleges that "weight bearing load" was added atop the condo using a crane without properly testing, inspecting, and evaluating the structural integrity of the building before construction began. Yeah, still skeptical on the "roof work" theory.
June 29, 20214 yr I’m just a small town person. Over my many years learning while working (I posses zero college degrees) commercial real estate scares the beejeebus out of me. I hate elevators and heights. When I was in Milwaukee I was on the 14th floor and did ok. Felt safe. I was in NYC just observing these rooftops. Lots of heavy equipment running the building up there. Depending on weather conditions the condensation and other stuff that these machines are designed to do sometimes looks to me like it’s all being pushed to its limits. It’s doing it’s job but what happens when it doesn’t? In Florida the ground is soft. How do they build these tall buildings? Right? I’m in the northeast with structures still standing from the 1700’s. In my mind. People died due to the elements. Like a heat wave, hurricanes, and blizzards. Not a structure failing. Stop pollulating the place. Sorry. Stiff happy hour for old Di. So sad.
June 29, 20214 yr Water can do serious damage to concrete over time. I remember being on the 500 level concourse of the Vet during an Eagles game and all of a sudden water came gushing out of the pipes above me. What a Dallas stadium.
June 30, 20214 yr I know a lot of people who won't buy homes made after 1970-80. People really seemed to start phoning in construction, using cheaper and cheaper materials using less and less skilled labor, because it is cheaper.
June 30, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Dave Moss said: Water can do serious damage to concrete over time. I remember being on the 500 level concourse of the Vet during an Eagles game and all of a sudden water came gushing out of the pipes above me. What a Dallas stadium. Lack of water in Florida’s soil does just as much damage to foundations. It causes the soil to dry out, causing voids and sinkholes.
June 30, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Toastrel said: I know a lot of people who won't buy homes made after 1970-80. People really seemed to start phoning in construction, using cheaper and cheaper materials using less and less skilled labor, because it is cheaper. My firefighting captain cousin said the newer houses made with OSB light and up and burn way faster than those built with plywood.
June 30, 20214 yr There was standing water, cracked concrete and corroded rebar, underneath the pool area: LINK Quote Two days before condo collapse, a pool contractor photographed this damage in garage BY SARAH BLASKEY AND AARON LEIBOWITZ JUNE 28, 2021 04:28 PM, UPDATED JUNE 29, 2021 03:36 PM There was nothing unusual about the lobby and pool area at Champlain Towers South condo, which looked clean and well maintained to a commercial pool contractor who visited the building last Tuesday, just 36 hours before half of the building unexpectedly collapsed. Then, he saw the basement-level garage. "There was standing water all over the parking garage,” the contractor, who asked not to be named, told the Miami Herald. He noted cracking concrete and severely corroded rebar under the pool. He also took photos, which he shared with the Herald. The deepest puddle of standing water, according to the contractor, was located around parking spot 78 — an area that building plans show is located directly under the pool deck where in a 2018 inspection report, engineer Frank Morabito had flagged a "major error” in the original design that was allowing water intrusion and causing serious damage to the structural concrete slabs below. He did not photograph that standing water because he was there to examine the pool and what was underneath it. I think it took multiple factors to cause the building to fall. Shoddy construction using cheap materials and labor. Years of withstanding south Florida weather: heat, hurricanes, rain/wind, etc. Nearby construction causing the building to shake and wobble. I think when you add all of that together, there was a weakness in the structure (bad waterproofing?) that was exacerbated by years of rain/wind/heat, fell down after the building was under multiple stresses. Water can be very destructive.
June 30, 20214 yr 20 hours ago, Paul852 said: Yeah, still skeptical on the "roof work" theory. Yep. But it's not like they were just putting tar down on the roof. I believe they had heavy equipment up there and may have placed it on a vulnerable weak spot. Of course witnesses say the pool and garage collapsed first. So it may take a while before we know the whole story.
June 30, 20214 yr 20 hours ago, Toastrel said: I know a lot of people who won't buy homes made after 1970-80. People really seemed to start phoning in construction, using cheaper and cheaper materials using less and less skilled labor, because it is cheaper. i did new construction in the late 80's early 90's. the houses we built back then were trash. the only places there was any plywood on the exterior walls was the corners. if the house was sided with vinyl you could break into with a utility knife and not set off any home alarms.
July 1, 20214 yr There is video showing water pouring out of the ceiling into the garage minutes before the collapse. Like the winterizing the Texas power infrastructure - maintenance costs money and you can profit more if you just let it go.
July 1, 20214 yr On 6/29/2021 at 7:56 PM, Dave Moss said: Water can do serious damage to concrete over time. I remember being on the 500 level concourse of the Vet during an Eagles game and all of a sudden water came gushing out of the pipes above me. What a Dallas stadium. Yes, I just saw this a.m. New video of a torrent of water flowing into the parking lot before the collapse.
July 1, 20214 yr They've stopped the rescue effort. So sad. Has to be agonizing for the families of the missing, and the first responders. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/miami-search-and-rescue-effort-halted-due-to-fears-other-half-of-building-may-collapse/ar-AALFdWz?li=BBnb7Kz
July 1, 20214 yr They picked up an audible female voice the day after the collapse and tried to rescue her, but her voice eventually stopped and they were unable to find her. Terrible. https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/rescuers-heard-womans-voice-in-rubble-shortly-after-surfside-collapse-chief/2485408/
July 1, 20214 yr I think even if they had started repairs, they would’ve realized at some point that the building was beyond fixing. Unfortunately, they never started repairing the structure.
July 1, 20214 yr 11 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: I think even if they had started repairs, they would’ve realized at some point that the building was beyond fixing. Unfortunately, they never started repairing the structure. The Owner is going to go to Jail, IMO.
July 1, 20214 yr On 6/29/2021 at 8:18 PM, Toastrel said: I know a lot of people who won't buy homes made after 1970-80. People really seemed to start phoning in construction, using cheaper and cheaper materials using less and less skilled labor, because it is cheaper. You know I've never seen a home around me collapse on it's own. That said the carpentry before 1970-80 sucked too, now there are at least codes that have to be followed and inspected.
July 1, 20214 yr On 6/30/2021 at 1:33 PM, Mike030270 said: That lawsuit is going to be huge 1 hour ago, jsdarkstar said: The Owner is going to go to Jail, IMO. Who they gonna sue? Themselves? It’s a condo. The residents own the building. Perfect example of why socialism sucks. The building was in need of repairs for years but the residents didn’t want to pay for it.
July 1, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, Bill said: Who they gonna sue? Themselves? It’s a condo. The residents own the building. Perfect example of why socialism sucks. The building was in need of repairs for years but the residents didn’t want to pay for it. No. They will sue the owner of the building. The Condo owners own the Units not the building itself. Suit has already been filed.
July 1, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, Bill said: Who they gonna sue? Themselves? It’s a condo. The residents own the building. Perfect example of why socialism sucks. The building was in need of repairs for years but the residents didn’t want to pay for it. I'm not sure how this even makes sense.
July 1, 20214 yr 10 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: No. They will sue the owner of the building. The Condo owners own the Units not the building itself. Suit has already been filed. I don’t think you know how CGAs work. The residents routinely voted against repairs to the building. This has gone back several years.
July 1, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, Bill said: I don’t think you know how CGAs work. The residents routinely voted against repairs to the building. This has gone back several years. Ok, what does that have to do with socialism? They paid for the condos themselves and voted against repairs because they accepted the risk (assuming the building wouldn't fall down). They were wrong.
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