29 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

 

 

That take, unsurprisingly, is disingenuous as hell.

"Race scholarship" is not the same thing as "telling white kids they're inherently racist", which is in a nutshell what the right wing is trying to redefine CRT as. 

Race scholarship is exactly what it says: the academic study of race. Which is exactly what CRT is: the academic study of race, particularly with regards to the history of race in the creation and adoption of laws and public policy. 

I mean, politically it's a lost cause. "If you're explaining, you're losing." But that doesn't change the fact that the right has co-opted this term because it gives them a label to affix to a vague idea of "woke progressives" telling them "how it is", which is something they ABSOLUTELY HATE because telling someone "how it is" is something only conservatives should be able to do.

Marx got plenty right about the inherent deficiencies and excesses of capitalism, he just didn't offer much in the way of realistic solutions. Ultimately, people forget that Marx wasn't an economist or a politician; he was a philosopher.

1 hour ago, Toastrel said:

Meanwhile, in Texas . . .they are not trying to whitewash history.

Nope. Totally no need for history taught in schools to include anything about the people who lived here, or MLK, or anything that makes GOP turdflakes uncomfortable.

There are simply no lies that you won’t tell, are there?

 

 

4 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

There are simply no lies that you won’t tell, are there?

 

 

 Yeah, I don't see how you could not teach about the KKK in Texas anyway.  It's too big a part of their history.  Or are we pretending the racist Democrats didn't control the state for 130 years now? 

10 hours ago, TEW said:

The problem with this explanation is that the "woke” material being taught is a direct result of "the theoretical framework” that activists embraced. You’re acting like there is no direct connection when, in fact, there is. Academic thought can and often does result in real world impact. People actually buy into theories and proselytize them. Their manifestation may not meet the rigid academic definition for the theory

The destructive mix of woke material being taught and the exaggerated/incorrect use of the term CRT as a political marketing tactic reconcile quite nicely with the masses and that's just the reason this thing has gotten so much steam behind it.  Ya gotta love it when the further left idiots double down and say CRT is exactly what they are teaching.

I hate it when the meaning of a term is hijacked for political gain as has been done in this instance but you have to hand it to the righties on this one.  They nailed it (from their marketing slogan perspective).

8 hours ago, The_Omega said:

There are simply no lies that you won’t tell, are there?

 

 

Learn to read and understand the things known as words.

You will come off looking less like an idiot. The liar part, you actually have to stop lying.

4 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

The destructive mix of woke material being taught and the exaggerated/incorrect use of the term CRT as a political marketing tactic reconcile quite nicely with the masses and that's just the reason this thing has gotten so much steam behind it.  Ya gotta love it when the further left idiots double down and say CRT is exactly what they are teaching.

I hate it when the meaning of a term is hijacked for political gain as has been done in this instance but you have to hand it to the righties on this one.  They nailed it (from their marketing slogan perspective).

It's not being "hijacked." This is what proponents of the theory believe and want to happen. Mask off.

11 hours ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

Marx got plenty right about the inherent deficiencies and excesses of capitalism, he just didn't offer much in the way of realistic solutions. Ultimately, people forget that Marx wasn't an economist or a politician; he was a philosopher.

Who never had a real job and lived of an inheritance…

4 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

The destructive mix of woke material being taught and the exaggerated/incorrect use of the term CRT as a political marketing tactic reconcile quite nicely with the masses and that's just the reason this thing has gotten so much steam behind it.  Ya gotta love it when the further left idiots double down and say CRT is exactly what they are teaching.

I hate it when the meaning of a term is hijacked for political gain as has been done in this instance but you have to hand it to the righties on this one.  They nailed it (from their marketing slogan perspective).

Find me something not hijacked by politics these days

11 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Find me something not hijacked by politics these days

It has gotten very bad.  Not that it wasn't always a thing but it has been ratcheted up to new levels.

13 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

To be sure, the reason "real" communism hasn't been tried is because it's completely incompatible with human nature and will never work at scale without forcing people to buy into its BS at gunpoint.

That said, comparing CRT to the academic definition of communism vs Soviet or China is very flawed.

CRT is a pretty legitimate area of study around historical laws, regulations, and social norms that were specifically designed to keep black Americans "in their place," and tracking the through line of those policies to today and examining their impact. 

And you could argue that even studying the above is inevitably going to result in some individuals overreaching and going off the deep end, but that's in no way a legitimate reason to sweep it under the rug or whitewash it. 

It's disingenuous to claim that right-wing media co-opting and redefining radical activism as "CRT" is somehow  a legitimate "direct connection". It's just not.

Moderate Riot Kitchen comes out in favor of CRT. Another shocking turn of events.   

2 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Moderate Riot Kitchen comes out in favor of CRT. Another shocking turn of events.   

27 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Find me something not hijacked by politics these days

not sure anyone could argue this. it's a big reason people are at each other's necks. 

Oh no, did a mean teacher instruct students about the pervasiveness of racism in America?  It must be the woke Left pushing CRT on our kids!  Ban them!!!

3 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Oh no, did a mean teacher instruct students about the pervasiveness of racism in America?  It must be the woke Left pushing CRT on our kids!  Ban them!!!

DCotP.

9 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Oh no, did a mean teacher instruct students about the pervasiveness of racism in America?  It must be the woke Left pushing CRT on our kids!  Ban them!!!

Keep your opinions to yourself or you arent qualified to teach

4 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Keep your opinions to yourself or you arent qualified to teach

The existence of slavery, segregation and Jim Crow laws, race riots, lynchings, white supremacist groups like the KKK, racist practices like redlining, voter suppression, etc. aren’t just my opinions, man.

8 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

The existence of slavery, segregation and Jim Crow laws, race riots, lynchings, white supremacist groups like the KKK, racist practices like redlining, voter suppression, etc. aren’t just my opinions, man.

Who is arguing that the history of these events shouldn't be taught?

9 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

The existence of slavery, segregation and Jim Crow laws, race riots, lynchings, white supremacist groups like the KKK, racist practices like redlining, voter suppression, etc. aren’t just my opinions, man.

GEORGE WASHINGTON NEVER LIED YOU COMMIE RAT FRAK!!

2 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Who is arguing that the history of these events shouldn't be taught?

Republican legislatures.  Try paying closer attention.

19 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Republican legislatures.  Try paying closer attention.

So CRT is equal to the things you listed?  Try to maintain some intellectual consistency.

5 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

So CRT is equal to the things you listed?  Try to maintain some intellectual consistency.

 

2 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

 

I love your smiley replies when you have nothing else to say.

5 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

Who is arguing that the history of these events shouldn't be taught?

No one

 

6 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

Who is arguing that the history of these events shouldn't be taught?

The issue historically hasn't been so much whether they're taught, but HOW they're taught.

Many school districts in the south for example do not emphasize slavery as the primary cause of the civil war, despite the fact that virtually every issue that is commonly dropped in as a substitute is directly related to slavery, and that the articles of secession drawn up by southern states all listed the institution of slavery as the driving force.

This is not a new issue. We've had arguments with people on this very board with some who don't see slavery as the main cause of the Civil War. 

We will continue to struggle to maintain ourselves as one nation United by the founding principles of the republic if we have regions of the nation viewing our history with a totally different set of facts.