11 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

I prefer real books, but not enough to overcome the awesome convenience of having a Kindle and being able to order that next book right when I want. 

I own a few ebooks - sometimes it is nice having the tablet and a book selection at your fingertips.

I prefer paper books. I love hard cover books.

21 hours ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

Marx was 100% correct that capitalism is built on exploitation of the working class, that it is, more or less, a form of economic imperialism, and that the only way to mitigate it is for the working class to collectively fight back.

If you really believe that you are hopelessly lost and have no place teaching a classroom

8 hours ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

Yes, but you eventually reach a point where competition is stifled, which negatively impacts both consumers and the labor market. There needs to be balance.

No there needs to be efficiency. Thats it.

12 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

If you really believe that you are hopelessly lost and have no place teaching a classroom

If you can't admit that the system is imperfect and leads to abuse, then you are sticking your head in the sand. The only way that history has ever shown large-scale change being effected is through collective struggle. It's the reason we even have a country to begin with. Anyway, it doesn't matter what I believe as long as I'm not injecting those beliefs into my teaching. 

 

5 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

No there needs to be efficiency. Thats it.

Sure, and the system is surely lacking a good deal of it.

Strawman. Of course the system is imperfect. Its made of humans. Thats why there are laws and courts, etc. no one is arguing its perfection. But we are arguing its vast superiority.

17 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Strawman. Of course the system is imperfect. Its made of humans. Thats why there are laws and courts, etc. no one is arguing its perfection. But we are arguing its vast superiority.

 

I agree that capitalism is the best we've got, although I think a lot of people are willfully blind to its excesses, and many categorically deny any opportunity to discuss how the system could be better managed. Yes, there are laws, but in some cases they are insufficient or outdated. One would hardly argue that Teddy Roosevelt was anything other than a blue-blooded American, but he was also quick to recognize that the concentration of wealth and capital was a threat to the American dream itself. There needs to be room for a healthy debate about how we can maintain a robust free-market that nevertheless feeds into a healthy society and body politic.

13 hours ago, Dave Moss said:

Not being able to recognize the strengths and weaknesses of different economic systems and different forms of government is kryptonite for some of the posters on here.

 

Capitalist economic strengths: abundance of literally everything. So much food the poor people are the most obese demographic in human history.

Capitalist economic weaknesses: leftists cry boo-hoo because some people are better at it than others and get a nicer smart phone and car.

Communist economic strengths: leftists die by the millions because of their own ineptitude with agriculture and violence.

Communist economic weaknesses: the leftists drag actual human beings into being victims of their self induced famine and murder cult.

1 minute ago, TEW said:

 

Capitalist economic strengths: abundance of literally everything. So much food the poor people are the most obese demographic in human history.

Capitalist weaknesses: leftists cry because some people are better at it than others and get a nicer smart phone and car.

Communist economic strengths: leftists die by the millions because of their own ineptitude and violence.

Communist economic weaknesses: the leftists drag actual human beings into being victims of their self induced famine and murder cult.

 Why did your buddy Solzhenitsyn self-ban??  I miss his posts.

Just now, Dave Moss said:

 Why did your buddy Solzhenitsyn self-ban??  I miss his posts.

He got sent to the gulags again.

5 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

I agree that capitalism is the best we've got, although I think a lot of people are willfully blind to its excesses, and many categorically deny any opportunity to discuss how the system could be better managed. Yes, there are laws, but in some cases they are insufficient or outdated. One would hardly argue that Teddy Roosevelt was anything other than a blue-blooded American, but he was also quick to recognize that the concentration of wealth and capital was a threat to the American dream itself. There needs to be room for a healthy debate about how we can maintain a robust free-market that nevertheless feeds into a healthy society and body politic.

You commies always talk about making it better while gaoing against the principles our success is based upon. 
 

most often the ways to make it better would be the opposite of what you advocate.

so why would we trust you not to pollute students’ minds with this garbage? Are you somehow not a flawed human like everyone else? 

5 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

You commies always talk about making it better while gaoing against the principles our success is based upon. 

 

Unhinged. What principal did I go against? I love it when people toss around the term "commie" as an ad-hominem when they clearly have no clue what the term means. 

 

5 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

most often the ways to make it better would be the opposite of what you advocate.

So, do nothing. Got it.

 

 

5 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Are you somehow not a flawed human like everyone else? 

 

Since you love logical fallacies so much, you must've really enjoyed this non-sequitur

 

On 7/20/2021 at 7:27 PM, Toastrel said:

Meanwhile, Johnny can't read,write,make change, and the only civics he knows about are built by Honda.

 

5 hours ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

I agree that capitalism is the best we've got, although I think a lot of people are willfully blind to its excesses, and many categorically deny any opportunity to discuss how the system could be better managed. Yes, there are laws, but in some cases they are insufficient or outdated. One would hardly argue that Teddy Roosevelt was anything other than a blue-blooded American, but he was also quick to recognize that the concentration of wealth and capital was a threat to the American dream itself. There needs to be room for a healthy debate about how we can maintain a robust free-market that nevertheless feeds into a healthy society and body politic.

Today we see a huge wave of people in the western countries who are willfully blind to the positives (overwhelmingly positive on a macro scale) of capitalism. Throwing the baby out with the bath water is dangerous. 

2 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

Today we see a huge wave of people in the western countries who are willfully blind to the positives (overwhelmingly positive on a macro scale) of capitalism. Throwing the baby out with the bath water is dangerous. 

Another way of looking at it there is a huge waver of people in western countries who are willfully blind to the negatives, to the point where they pretend they do not exist.

The fact that the bathwater is poisoning people is not as important as making money off them.

1 hour ago, Toastrel said:

Another way of looking at it there is a huge waver of people in western countries who are willfully blind to the negatives, to the point where they pretend they do not exist.

You mean just like Rocker said? Yeah a big wealth gap is unhealthy. 

11 hours ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

Unhinged. What principal did I go against? I love it when people toss around the term "commie" as an ad-hominem when they clearly have no clue what the term means. 

 

So, do nothing. Got it.

 

 

 

Since you love logical fallacies so much, you must've really enjoyed this non-sequitur

 

Again did not say do nothing. Thats another strawman.

the point is to show why people dont trust humans such as yourself and moss to keep your personal beliefs out of your teaching. Its part of the attraction for the pseudo-enlightened. To tell people better especially kids

3 hours ago, Toastrel said:

Another way of looking at it there is a huge waver of people in western countries who are willfully blind to the negatives, to the point where they pretend they do not exist.

The fact that the bathwater is poisoning people is not as important as making money off them.

That makes no sense

to point out the glaring inferiority of the alternatives being offered is not to pretend imperfections dont exist. Also to understand the system is to know that its goal is not equal outcomes. Not even a little bit. Which is why its sustainable

 

 

 

No one had any issue with "pointing out the glaring inferiority of alternatives," but someone sure did have an issue with merely recognizing the current system's flaws and the suggesting that the people might advocate for improvements. It's all here on the record; I certainly wasn't the one who had a meltdown.

3 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

No one had any issue with "pointing out the glaring inferiority of alternatives," but someone sure did have an issue with merely recognizing the current system's flaws and the suggesting that the people might advocate for improvements. It's all here on the record; I certainly wasn't the one who had a meltdown.

The cadre of posters who act like capitalism is infallible has always been an amusing aspect of this message board.

Is it possible for someone to explain, in just a few sentences, what critical race theory is? I actually don't know.

9 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

No one had any issue with "pointing out the glaring inferiority of alternatives," but someone sure did have an issue with merely recognizing the current system's flaws and the suggesting that the people might advocate for improvements. It's all here on the record; I certainly wasn't the one who had a meltdown.

what you call improvements, most who understand capitalism would call them the opposite. that's what you need to grasp - your underlying construct as to what the system is intended to produce is fatally flawed. 

and no one had a meltdown that i see. 

7 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

The cadre of posters who act like capitalism is infallible has always been an amusing aspect of this message board.

same childish strawman as ever

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

That makes no sense

to point out the glaring inferiority of the alternatives being offered is not to pretend imperfections dont exist. Also to understand the system is to know that its goal is not equal outcomes. Not even a little bit. Which is why its sustainable

 

 

 

It makes no sense to you. I didn't expect any different. You have huge blind spots.

20 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

Is it possible for someone to explain, in just a few sentences, what critical race theory is? I actually don't know.

Neither do I. Not sure I care that much either though. In any case, if I see TEW, KKKz, and TJ all lined up on the same side of anything race related, my spidey senses start tingling.

yeah but you didn't even know what Dill was so I can't take you seriously.

35 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

Is it possible for someone to explain, in just a few sentences, what critical race theory is? I actually don't know.

 

On 6/27/2021 at 5:05 PM, EaglesRocker97 said:

As I understand it, the point of CRT is that the legacy of racism remains present in the system in the form of disparities that were features of institutional racism. The kernel is that, even long after things like redlining and housing discrimination have been outlawed, the effects of it are still being felt. It's a pretty simple concept that is fairly intuitive. Most of the people wringing their hands about CRT literally have no idea what it is.

 

On 6/28/2021 at 9:39 AM, NOTW said:

I read various articles about it (from left, center and right) and even a Fox news article aligned with what the others said, which is pretty much what you said here.  The summary seems to be that attempts at equality in the past didn't permanently solve the problems, for example how the 13th amendment banned slavery...except imprisonment for crimes.  The scholars had a legal perspective and it was an academic group studying it in university, it wasn't something meant to be taught in K-12 education.  

Somehow CRT has become a concept that has people on both sides politically not understanding it.  It's a buzzword like "defund the police" that gets used whenever someone is wanting to teach about race.

One one hand I see teachers and liberals saying we have to teach the real history worts and all, and people on the right thinking that any attempts to update history lessons to include examining issues of race more closely is anti-white rhetoric.  It's our social media culture and people not taking time to understand anything, and the media and politicians contribute to it.