46 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

Is it possible for someone to explain, in just a few sentences, what critical race theory is? I actually don't know.

some say it's nothing, while others say it will destroy the world. 

55 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

Is it possible for someone to explain, in just a few sentences, what critical race theory is? I actually don't know.

stems from critical theory school of thinking:

Critical theory (also capitalized as Critical Theory)^[1] is an approach to social philosophy that focuses on reflective assessment and critique of society and culture in order to reveal and challenge power structures. With origins in sociology and literary criticism, it argues that social problems are influenced and created more by societal structures and cultural assumptions than by individual and psychological factors. Maintaining that ideology is the principal obstacle to human liberation,^[2] critical theory was established as a school of thought primarily by the Frankfurt School theoreticians Herbert Marcuse, Theodor Adorno, Walter Benjamin, Erich Fromm, and Max Horkheimer. Horkheimer described a theory as critical insofar as it seeks "to liberate human beings from the circumstances that enslave them."^[3]

In sociology and political philosophy, "Critical Theory" means the Western-Marxist philosophy of the Frankfurt School, developed in Germany in the 1930s and drawing on the ideas of Karl Marx and Sigmund Freud. Though a "critical theory" or a "critical social theory" may have similar elements of thought, capitalizing Critical Theory as if it were a proper noun stresses the intellectual lineage specific to the Frankfurt School.

 

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

what you call improvements, most who understand capitalism would call them the opposite. that's what you need to grasp - your underlying construct as to what the system is intended to produce is fatally flawed.

I think you make some assumptions that I can maybe understand applying to me, but I've made it clear multiple times in various threads that I am against them. For one, you seem to be touching on equity, which I do not push for. I am actually disturbed a bit by the push toward equity as an end goal, because I do not see equity as a condition that is either attainable or desirable. What I am a firm believer in, however, is equal opportunity, and the improvements that I advocate are keeping nothing more in mind than that.

Now, in terms of those improvements, again, I think you assume that I mean changing the fundamental structure of our economy and society, but I don't. Like I said earlier in this very thread: 

On 7/26/2021 at 11:27 AM, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

Very true, although some on here have a hard time acknowledging literally any shortcomings in capitalism. Personally, I just wished we'd get a little more back to mixed-market trends of the late-19th/early-20th centuries. I'm particularly concerned about the rise of contemporary monopolies/oligopolies. When was the last time the SEC/FTC blocked a merger or, God forbid, broke up a company that was inimical to fair competition? Ultimately, unfettered capitalism gets you to the point where the "free market" is anything but free.

 

I am calling for things that have been tried in the past and that have worked within the confines of a capitalist system. It is widely recognized by many historians and economists alike that trust-busting, labor laws, basic regulatory reforms, and the introduction of a basic social safety net were net positives for the nation. It increased our carrying capacity and productive power while reducing economic turmoil and social upheaval. Ultimately, you can have too much of a good thing. Extremes are always bad, and a purely laissez-faire approach ignores this reality.

1 hour ago, mayanh8 said:

Is it possible for someone to explain, in just a few sentences, what critical race theory is? I actually don't know.

It's not. It's been purposely muddied so that whatever you want to project on it is so. 

13 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

I think you make some assumptions that I can maybe understand applying to me, but I've made it clear multiple times in various threads that I am against them. For one, you seem to be touching on equity, which I do not push for. I am actually disturbed a bit by the push toward equity as an end goal, because I do not see equity as a condition that is either attainable or desirable. What I am a firm believer in, however, is equal opportunity, and the improvements that I advocate are keeping nothing more in mind than that.

Now, in terms of those improvements, again, I think you assume that I mean changing the fundamental structure of our economy and society, but I don't. Like I said earlier in this very thread: 

 

I am calling for things that have been tried in the past and that have worked within the confines of a capitalist system. It is widely recognized by many historians and economists alike that trust-busting, labor laws, basic regulatory reforms, and the introduction of a basic social safety net were net positives for the nation. It increased our carrying capacity and productive power while reducing economic turmoil and social upheaval. Ultimately, you can have too much of a good thing. Extremes are always bad, and a purely laissez-faire approach ignores this reality.

anti-trust is a huge issue, I agree with you there. capitalism works best when competition is fed, not restricted. but too often, because of govt incompetence and outside influence, the 'fix' is often worse than the problem. if you trust the system, you have to be patient enough most times to let things resolve on their own.

and no i don not agree that the social safety nets were a net positive for the nation. they have become a systemic threat, just as opponents at the time predicted, because people are entitled and lazy.

CRT in schools is basically just hardcore liberal indoctrination to hate virtually all the principles our society has been built upon. It's incredibly retarded and inevitably leads to racial animosity, so it makes sense that ishlibs in here are defending it. DCotP.

5 minutes ago, Kz! said:

It's incredibly retarded and inevitably leads to racial animosity

You know what else leads to racial animosity

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

yeah but you didn't even know what Dill was so I can't take you seriously.

That was vikas, not me. Might be time for you to start practicing for the cognitive tests where you need to recite a series of five words back to the doctor. Bonus points if you get them in the right order.

10 minutes ago, downundermike said:

You know what else leads to racial animosity

Wow. I thought this stuff disappeared 60 years ago.

21 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Wow. I thought this stuff disappeared 60 years ago.

People act like this was generations ago.  Some of us are old enough that our parents were alive for this.  

5 minutes ago, downundermike said:

People act like this was generations ago.  Some of us are old enough that our parents were alive for this.  

Sure but what does that have to do with issues that could arise from some of the more extreme woke inspired teachings?

 

 

10 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

anti-trust is a huge issue, I agree with you there. capitalism works best when competition is fed, not restricted. but too often, because of govt incompetence and outside influence, the 'fix' is often worse than the problem. if you trust the system, you have to be patient enough most times to let things resolve on their own.

and no i don not agree that the social safety nets were a net positive for the nation. they have become a systemic threat, just as opponents at the time predicted, because people are entitled and lazy.

Just coming back to this, I appreciate the more thoughtful response here. I definitely think that the social safety net is rightfully a controversial subject. It certainly can be and is abused, and it can induce stress on a nation's economy if not properly managed. This reality is too often ignored when these programs are established. Nevertheless, I do think that something should be there for temporary assistance to help those who've fallen on hard times get back on their feet, to care for the disabled, and to ensure that children living in poverty are fed, clothed, and educated. Thinking so doesn't make me a communist, but I'm aware of your aversion to anything that even remotely smacks of collectivism. We can agree to disagree there, but for the record, I fully support a system built on private enterprise.

10 hours ago, downundermike said:

People act like this was generations ago.  Some of us are old enough that our parents were alive for this.  

Its was actually generation ago…

https://freebeacon.com/culture/why-private-schools-have-gone-woke/

11 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

https://freebeacon.com/culture/why-private-schools-have-gone-woke/

Pretty ambiguous ending to the article

 

 

fight on multiple fronts?  Lol

Here’s an idea:  don’t send your kid to private school!!!

24 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Here’s an idea:  don’t send your kid to private school!!!

When public schools are crap not much of a choice

6 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

When public schools are crap not much of a choice

You can also send your kid to a school that’s not accredited I guess, right?

As for the parents who criticized the curriculum and then their kids got expelled, they should have known better.  Yes, schools still want your money.  But as long as they have enough paying customers, they’re not going to let a few disgruntled parents tell them what to teach.  That would be a ridiculous way to operate.

Nonsensical gibberish

the parents are the customer . Teachers provide a service. Its not a matter of resources its a matter of shiddy parents and shiddy teachers. Ffs we have morons like munson in classrooms

3 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Nonsensical gibberish

the parents are the customer . Teachers provide a service. Its not a matter of resources its a matter of shiddy parents and shiddy teachers. Ffs we have morons like munson in classrooms

If parents want to control what their kids are taught, then home school them. 

2 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

If parents want to control what their kids ate taught, then home school them. 

Moronic

the customer sets the agenda. The school system provides a service its not an employment program. And teachers certainly do not know better despite often thinking so.

tenure and pensions etc need to go. Unions need to go.

2 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Moronic

the customer sets the agenda. The school system provides a service its not an employment program. And teachers certainly do not know better despite often thinking so.

tenure and pensions etc need to go. Unions need to go.

They don’t have unions at private schools.

One of the reasons they are better roi

 

If police should wear body cams (and they should), then maybe we should put cameras in the public school classroom, too.  From How to be and Antiracist, Ibram X Kendi:

Quote

"The only remedy to racist discrimination is antiracist discrimination. The only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination. The only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination.”