June 28, 20214 yr Slavery was a states rights issue. Right up until the South decided to take over U.S. military bases in the South in 1860 and 1861.
June 28, 20214 yr 37 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said: About which part The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. There is a reason the South expressed this in their version of the Constitution: Quote "In all such territory the institution of **** slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected by Congress and by the Territorial government; and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories shall have the right to take to such Territory any slaves lawfully held by them in any of the States or Territories of the Confederate States.” Was because the US Constitution DID NOT SAY THIS.
June 28, 20214 yr Author 1 minute ago, Toastrel said: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. There is a reason the South expressed this in their version of the Constitution: Was because the US Constitution DID NOT SAY THIS. I think you missed my point. Under the original constitution Congress could not outlaw slavery. So it wouldn’t have mattered if every new state admitted to the union was a free state and the Senate became 90% free state represented. The power to outlaw slavery still rested with the state
June 28, 20214 yr Just now, Seventy_Yard_FG said: I think you missed my point. Under the original constitution Congress could not outlaw slavery. So it wouldn’t have mattered if every new state admitted to the union was a free state and the Senate became 90% free state represented. The power to outlaw slavery still rested with the state No, you missed mine, but that's okay. I wasn't expect you to see reason or change your mind.
June 28, 20214 yr 16 hours ago, EaglesRocker97 said: As I understand it, the point of CRT is that the legacy of racism remains present in the system in the form of disparities that were features of institutional racism. The kernel is that, even long after things like redlining and housing discrimination have been outlawed, the effects of it are still being felt. It's a pretty simple concept that is fairly intuitive. Most of the people wringing their hands about CRT literally have no idea what it is. I read various articles about it (from left, center and right) and even a Fox news article aligned with what the others said, which is pretty much what you said here. The summary seems to be that attempts at equality in the past didn't permanently solve the problems, for example how the 13th amendment banned slavery...except imprisonment for crimes. The scholars had a legal perspective and it was an academic group studying it in university, it wasn't something meant to be taught in K-12 education. Somehow CRT has become a concept that has people on both sides politically not understanding it. It's a buzzword like "defund the police" that gets used whenever someone is wanting to teach about race. One one hand I see teachers and liberals saying we have to teach the real history worts and all, and people on the right thinking that any attempts to update history lessons to include examining issues of race more closely is anti-white rhetoric. It's our social media culture and people not taking time to understand anything, and the media and politicians contribute to it.
June 28, 20214 yr Author Personally I think schools should teach math and grammar and then send people on their way
June 28, 20214 yr 19 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said: Personally I think schools should teach math and grammar and then send people on their way Those ignorant people sound like they will fail out in the world, knowing next nothing of history or the way the world works. Or worse, knowing only the WRONG facts of their parents and siblings.
June 28, 20214 yr Author 2 minutes ago, Toastrel said: Those ignorant people sound like they will fail out in the world, knowing next nothing of history or the way the world works. Or worse, knowing only the WRONG facts of their parents and siblings. You can bring a horse to water but you can’t make him drink
June 28, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said: You can bring a horse to water but you can’t make him drink You may see no value in music, art and history. What a sad thought.
June 28, 20214 yr Author 27 minutes ago, Toastrel said: You may see no value in music, art and history. What a sad thought. Well there’s value, but you can’t make someone appreciate it if they don’t want to. Secondly, in many cases there will be disagreement in these subjects about what should be taught and especially in history this is highly politically charged
June 28, 20214 yr 54 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said: Personally I think schools should teach math and grammar and then send people on their way School has a role in shaping our children into being good citizens. Personally I want a school to reinforce the values we teach at home, hence why we send them to catholic school.
June 28, 20214 yr Author Just now, Gannan said: School has a role in shaping our children into being good citizens. Personally I want a school to reinforce the values we teach at home, hence why we send them to catholic school. Well yes, I guess I should clarify that public school should only teach math and grammar. If you want the bells and whistles enroll in supplemental private school
June 28, 20214 yr Teaching facts and not sugar coating history - good. Woke/white guilt agenda - bad. This is what many people think CRT is so they're arguing against something but using the wrong label. Making children fill out a white privilege checklist and teaching them they are inherently racist isn't CRT.
June 28, 20214 yr So schools should stop teaching science, history and literature? No wonder this country is going down the tubes.
June 28, 20214 yr 17 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said: Well yes, I guess I should clarify that public school should only teach math and grammar. If you want the bells and whistles enroll in supplemental private school No thanks. I'd prefer my kids get a better education than that. Maybe morons should enroll their children in private schools that only teach math and grammar instead.
June 28, 20214 yr 20 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said: Well yes, I guess I should clarify that public school should only teach math and grammar. If you want the bells and whistles enroll in supplemental private school What do you do for a living?
June 28, 20214 yr Author 15 minutes ago, vikas83 said: So schools should stop teaching science, history and literature? No wonder this country is going down the tubes. No, private schools should still teach these things 3 minutes ago, Boogyman said: What do you do for a living? I’m like a data analyst/ business analyst
June 28, 20214 yr Author 8 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: No thanks. I'd prefer my kids get a better education than that. Maybe morons should enroll their children in private schools that only teach math and grammar instead. Well then pay for it yourself
June 28, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said: Well then pay for it yourself Let me rephrase. I'd prefer our country not be filled with morons who have no base knowledge of science, history or literature, not to mention even more practical skills like typing, computers, etc. What exactly do you think would be gained by cutting out important core curriculum like that?
June 28, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said: Well then pay for it yourself How can you be this stupid and still type words on a phone? We do pay for it.
June 28, 20214 yr 37 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said: Well there’s value, but you can’t make someone appreciate it if they don’t want to. Secondly, in many cases there will be disagreement in these subjects about what should be taught and especially in history this is highly politically charged Those who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Those who refuse to teach their children accurate history are doomed to extinction.
June 28, 20214 yr Problem: not enough US kids are going into STEM fields. Solution: stop teaching science in public schools. BRILLIANT.
June 28, 20214 yr There are people here who want schools to teach kids to count and read - and basically stop teaching them at 10. What's the plan then? Other than harvesting them for their organs?
June 28, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Problem: not enough US kids are going into STEM fields. Solution: stop teaching science in public schools. BRILLIANT. "Pay for it yourself". Well, besides that huge property tax bill you pay your entire life. Pay for it a second time.
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