14 hours ago, Dave Moss said:

If parents want to control what their kids are taught, then home school them. 

public schools are funded by tax payers. why shouldn't we have control of what our kids are taught ? 

12 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

 

public schools are funded by tax payers. why shouldn't we have control of what our kids are taught ? 

You want people who have no clue about what’s good or bad pedagogy deciding what kids are taught? 

26 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

If police should wear body cams (and they should), then maybe we should put cameras in the public school classroom, too.  From How to be and Antiracist, Ibram X Kendi:

 

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"The only remedy to racist discrimination is antiracist discrimination. The only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination. The only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination.”

 

This Kendi quote illustrates the heart of the problem with what's going on no matter if it is called CRT or something else.

12 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

You want people who have no clue about what’s good or bad pedagogy deciding what kids are taught? 

 no different then anything else we pay taxes towards. the tax payers should absolutely have a say. 

also, considering the "so-called" experts thought core math was a good idea, i'll take my chances on the people with no clue making a decision or two. 

at the end of day, schools boards are elected. don't like what they are doing, vote them out. 

 

8 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

 

This Kendi quote illustrates the heart of the problem with what's going on no matter if it is called CRT or something else.

How to be an anti-racist is like 500 pages. Are we pretending like elementary school kids are reading that?  I had to read Malcolm X’s autobiography for summer reading and also read Black Boy by Richard Wright as a junior in high school.

 

3 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

 no different then anything else we pay taxes towards. the tax payers should absolutely have a say. 

 

also, considering the "so-called" experts thought core math was a good idea, i'll take my chances on the people with no clue making a decision or two. 

 

We already tried putting people with no clue in charge. It was called the Donald Trump administration.

Just now, Dave Moss said:

We already tried putting people with no clue in charge. It was called the Donald Trump administration.

that's a bit of a stretch to the subject at hand, but i still had to chuckle. 

36 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

How to be an anti-racist is like 500 pages. Are we pretending like elementary school kids are reading that?  I had to read Malcolm X’s autobiography for summer reading and also read Black Boy by Richard Wright as a junior in high school.

 

You tell me what you want me to read and I’ll read it. I’ve read a bunch of excerpts and some of his articles so far but no doubt I have more to learn. So far from what I can gather his solutions are sorely lacking and will only lead to more overall misery for pretty much everyone. But you point me to where I’ll see the light and learn otherwise.  

 

 

1 hour ago, Dave Moss said:

How to be an anti-racist is like 500 pages. Are we pretending like elementary school kids are reading that?  I had to read Malcolm X’s autobiography for summer reading and also read Black Boy by Richard Wright as a junior in high school.

 

Teachers, administrators, activist consultants are reading it, and using it to indoctrinate kids. That’s the problem.

11 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

Teachers, administrators, activist consultants are reading it, and using it to indoctrinate kids. That’s the problem.

It’s assigned as summer reading.  Which is why I brought up that I read Malcolm X for summer reading in high school.

I found the Common core math or whatever a little annoying, but not that bad compared to all the other bad things they subject kids to these days.

There is something in the psyche of some people that prevents them from admitting America has warts.

They need to pretend the USA is perfect and free from defect. It has nothing to do with love of country, or the Constitution, given how many of these nitwits support the "stolen election" BS and would happily set the constitution on fire and have Trump back in office despite America voting him out of office.

Pitiful sore losers unable to deal with reality.

2 hours ago, Toastrel said:

There is something in the psyche of some people that prevents them from admitting America has warts.

They need to pretend the USA is perfect and free from defect. It has nothing to do with love of country, or the Constitution, given how many of these nitwits support the "stolen election" BS and would happily set the constitution on fire and have Trump back in office despite America voting him out of office.

Pitiful sore losers unable to deal with reality.

I mean, yes, there is a part of the GOP base that is hoping to simply teach "'Murica Rocks" as a core curriculum. But there is a similar size of morons on the left that want to teach kids that America is irredeemably evil and that white people are racist by nature. Both extremes make the all the noise and hurl stupid talking points back and forth.

GOP Nuts: We're banning the teaching of Critical Race Theory in our schools. But that means we won't teach anything other than America is awesome, was founded by Jesus, and never did anything wrong. 

Liberal Nuts: No one is teaching CRT in schools; CRT is a graduate level theory taught in colleges. Now, please be quiet racists while we use things we learned from studying CRT at our overpriced graduate schools to make ridiculous lesson plans and insane administrative decisions based on equity, not equality.

Meanwhile, most rational people get exhausted by both groups. People want real history taught, but stories like these make it clear the left has lost its damn mind too.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9072155/Parents-Dalton-School-balk-staffs-eight-page-list-anti-racist-demands.html

I won't post the whole article, but one of the proposals is to eliminate Advanced Placement courses unless black and Latino students get the same grades as whites and Asians. No rational person can read this without being disgusted. 

And before someone starts screaming that this is a private school -- this is where this stuff starts. And it is spreading. Instead of just screaming "no one is teaching CRT," Dems would do better to call out this stuff and say it needs to stop, but that the GOP is using this as an excuse to white-wash history. Because stories like these make the GOP narrative stick...the Dems have no narrative.

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

I mean, yes, there is a part of the GOP base that is hoping to simply teach "'Murica Rocks" as a core curriculum. But there is a similar size of morons on the left that want to teach kids that America is irredeemably evil and that white people are racist by nature. Both extremes make the all the noise and hurl stupid talking points back and forth.

GOP Nuts: We're banning the teaching of Critical Race Theory in our schools. But that means we won't teach anything other than America is awesome, was founded by Jesus, and never did anything wrong. 

Liberal Nuts: No one is teaching CRT in schools; CRT is a graduate level theory taught in colleges. Now, please be quiet racists while we use things we learned from studying CRT at our overpriced graduate schools to make ridiculous lesson plans and insane administrative decisions based on equity, not equality.

Meanwhile, most rational people get exhausted by both groups. People want real history taught, but stories like these make it clear the left has lost its damn mind too.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9072155/Parents-Dalton-School-balk-staffs-eight-page-list-anti-racist-demands.html

I won't post the whole article, but one of the proposals is to eliminate Advanced Placement courses unless black and Latino students get the same grades as whites and Asians. No rational person can read this without being disgusted. 

And before someone starts screaming that this is a private school -- this is where this stuff starts. And it is spreading. Instead of just screaming "no one is teaching CRT," Dems would do better to call out this stuff and say it needs to stop, but that the GOP is using this as an excuse to white-wash history. Because stories like these make the GOP narrative stick...the Dems have no narrative.

I agree with everything, except for the size of the two groups.

There are plenty of liberal idiots who believe the things you say. Millions.

There are tens of millions of the GOP sort. Over half the GOP still sucks the Trump knob. I don't think the support for "Evil America" is that high.

1 minute ago, Toastrel said:

I agree with everything, except for the size of the two groups.

There are plenty of liberal idiots who believe the things you say. Millions.

There are tens of millions of the GOP sort. Over half the GOP still sucks the Trump knob. I don't think the support for "Evil America" is that high.

I didn't take a census. I tend to agree that the size of the GOP radicals has grown exponentially thanks to the Orange Imbecile. The power for the crazy liberals is exacerbated by their small majorities in Congress -- people who should be completely ignored (Bernie, AOC, etc.) have influence because they need every vote (and yes, that is because the GOP in the House is a monolith that would oppose tax cuts if Biden proposed them).

2 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I didn't take a census. I tend to agree that the size of the GOP radicals has grown exponentially thanks to the Orange Imbecile. The power for the crazy liberals is exacerbated by their small majorities in Congress -- people who should be completely ignored (Bernie, AOC, etc.) have influence because they need every vote (and yes, that is because the GOP in the House is a monolith that would oppose tax cuts if Biden proposed them).

Also, the liberals have not yet begun the trying to overthrow the federal government with violence, either.

14 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Instead of just screaming "no one is teaching CRT," Dems would do better to call out this stuff and say it needs to stop, but that the GOP is using this as an excuse to white-wash history.

 

For sure, but that is a somewhat nuanced position that is way too complicated for our idiot populace to consume.

16 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

For sure, but that is a somewhat nuanced position that is way too complicated for our idiot populace to consume.

While I have a lower opinion of the collective intelligence of the American population than most (and yet somehow am still surprised that a large chunk of them are in a death cult led by a carnival barking con-man who has failed at almost everything in life), there is some truth to the idea that if we talk to people like they are idiots, they will act like idiots. 

At some point, someone needs to start trying to elevate the conversation...and that isn't going to be Donnie Drumpf.

8 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

While I have a lower opinion of the collective intelligence of the American population than most (and yet somehow am still surprised that a large chunk of them are in a death cult led by a carnival barking con-man who has failed at almost everything in life), there is some truth to the idea that if we talk to people like they are idiots, they will act like idiots. 

At some point, someone needs to start trying to elevate the conversation...and that isn't going to be Donnie Drumpf.

This literally made me lol.  🤣

34 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

While I have a lower opinion of the collective intelligence of the American population than most (and yet somehow am still surprised that a large chunk of them are in a death cult led by a carnival barking con-man who has failed at almost everything in life), there is some truth to the idea that if we talk to people like they are idiots, they will act like idiots. 

At some point, someone needs to start trying to elevate the conversation...and that isn't going to be Donnie Drumpf.

who could in the GOP at this point ? amash left. 

1 minute ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

who could in the GOP at this point ? amash left. 

Romney maybe? He doesn't have to care since he isn't going to run for President again.

14 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Romney maybe? He doesn't have to care since he isn't going to run for President again.

While Trump's tiny hand picked dewshnozzle lost in Texas, it still seems (to me) that the GOP is under the sway of the Orange Vadge of Cowardice - without the support of the Hoar, the God of Blunder, Romney can do what?

5 hours ago, vikas83 said:

Romney maybe? He doesn't have to care since he isn't going to run for President again.

Romney has made attempts to elevate the conversation at times. To zero effect.

The base if the GOP has made it clear that if you elevate the conversation you're the enemy.

8 hours ago, Toastrel said:

Also, the liberals have not yet begun the trying to overthrow the federal government with violence, either.

A ridiculous comparison.  C'mon man.  How about a little self criticism?  Just a smidgeon perhaps.

1 hour ago, DrPhilly said:

A ridiculous comparison.  C'mon man.  How about a little self criticism?  Just a smidgeon perhaps.

I know you were talking to Toast, but I’ll admit I cry racism too much if you admit you’re an apologist for white supremacy.  Deal?