1 hour ago, DrPhilly said:

A ridiculous comparison.  C'mon man.  How about a little self criticism?  Just a smidgeon perhaps.

It seems a pretty decent bar to set. You had some idiot liberals setting up autonomous zones vs armed insurgents trying to stop the certification of the election.

They stormed the Capitol, the first to do so since the British more than a hundred years before. They were feet from killing the vice-president.

They tried to overthrow our government. Maybe that means nothing to you, but I served in the military and it bothers me deeply. You are entitled to your wrong opinion.

1 hour ago, DrPhilly said:

A ridiculous comparison.  C'mon man.  How about a little self criticism?  Just a smidgeon perhaps.

Ah, yes...both sides

2 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

A ridiculous comparison.  C'mon man.  How about a little self criticism?  Just a smidgeon perhaps.

Sure, "both sides" have their problems.

Democrats' problems are within normal historical parameters. Among elected Democrats there is still an acceptance of democratic norms. 

Elected Republicans - including THE FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES - rallied their supporters to march on the Capitol and try to overturn the will of the people.

There are things you don't just both sides. This is absolutely one of them. The Republican party in its current form has actually attempted to overthrow our Republic.

How about a little recognition that as bad as some Democrats might be, mainstream Republicans are at least regular visitors to crazy town? A smidgeon?

8 hours ago, Toastrel said:

It seems a pretty decent bar to set. You had some idiot liberals setting up autonomous zones vs armed insurgents trying to stop the certification of the election.

They stormed the Capitol, the first to do so since the British more than a hundred years before. They were feet from killing the vice-president.

They tried to overthrow our government. Maybe that means nothing to you, but I served in the military and it bothers me deeply. You are entitled to your wrong opinion.

Do you recall who in here suggested shooting those loons as they stormed the Capital or should I remind you?  May I also remind you that I'm the one who suggested the few remaining sane Republicans should take their chances with some form of new setup outside of formal interaction with the current Republican Party which is a total lost cause.  There isn't any room at all for reason within the Republican side at this point.

8 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

Sure, "both sides" have their problems.

Democrats' problems are within normal historical parameters. Among elected Democrats there is still an acceptance of democratic norms. 

Elected Republicans - including THE FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES - rallied their supporters to march on the Capitol and try to overturn the will of the people.

There are things you don't just both sides. This is absolutely one of them. The Republican party in its current form has actually attempted to overthrow our Republic.

How about a little recognition that as bad as some Democrats might be, mainstream Republicans are at least regular visitors to crazy town? A smidgeon?

I am in violent agreement with you and it goes without saying that the idiots on the right took things to an entirely different level.  For example, there is clearly no equivalency between what happened at the Capital and what happened in say Portland and I've never ever once suggested that there was one.  Quite the opposite.

My point, badly presented, was that I think we need to be able to critique the problems on the left without the immediate "what about the other guy who is worse" comparison.  Leaping to this concept of equivalency wasn't my doing.

8 hours ago, Dave Moss said:

I know you were talking to Toast, but I’ll admit I cry racism too much if you admit you’re an apologist for white supremacy.  Deal?

I'd absolutely take you up on that if I actually was an apologist for white supremacy but I'm not so I can't accept the deal.  Thanks for admitting you cry racism too much though Dave.

On 7/29/2021 at 12:25 PM, Dave Moss said:

How to be an anti-racist is like 500 pages. Are we pretending like elementary school kids are reading that?  

 

 

4 minutes ago, NOTW said:

 

 

Thanks for the heads up. Seems like a good guy for me to follow on Twitter.

12 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

I am in violent agreement with you and it goes without saying that the idiots on the right took things to an entirely different level.  For example, there is clearly no equivalency between what happened at the Capital and what happened in say Portland and I've never ever once suggested that there was one.  Quite the opposite.

My point, badly presented, was that I think we need to be able to critique the problems on the left without the immediate "what about the other guy who is worse" comparison.  Leaping to this concept of equivalency wasn't my doing.

Well said.

That said, I believe that the "majority" of folks involved in the D.C. incident probably had no idea what they were getting themselves into (until it was too late) and by that point "mob mentality" took over and it was a free for all.  Unfortunately, they let the most extreme radicals lead the way that day...and as a result, many are paying the consequences now.  The irony is had this happened when many of them think "America was great" say, 50 -100 (or so) years ago, good chance some of them would have been hanged for treason.

Same thing goes for the anarchists in Portland, although to a lesser extent, albeit different reasons as well, imo. 

 

1 hour ago, Ace Nova said:

Well said.

That said, I believe that the "majority" of folks involved in the D.C. incident probably had no idea what they were getting themselves into (until it was too late) and by that point "mob mentality" took over and it was a free for all.  Unfortunately, they let the most extreme radicals lead the way that day...and as a result, many are paying the consequences now.  The irony is had this happened when many of them think "America was great" say, 50 -100 (or so) years ago, good chance some of them would have been hanged for treason.

Same thing goes for the anarchists in Portland, although to a lesser extent, albeit different reasons as well, imo. 

 

Is that a legal defense? Mob mentality?

23 minutes ago, Toastrel said:

Is that a legal defense? Mob mentality?

Who knows.  But it is a very "real thing".  "Mob mentality" "Herd Mentality" etc has been around for quite some time.   Some of the more extreme examples could be Jim Jones or even a more recent example of "cancel culture" (in some cases). 

You want to see mob mentality in action?  Just get a Twitter account.

40 minutes ago, Toastrel said:

Is that a legal defense? Mob mentality?

No. But a Trumplican would bring this to Court  (ala Rudy) and the Judge would dismiss it, like all the other Trumplican legal arguments.

 

 

9 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

 

 

Only took her 34 years too!

She's a whackadoodle. She's on my growing list of lunatics who I would send to a deserted island (or maybe Oklahoma, nobody cares about that state) and create a reality TV show around. 

Also on the list are: Tucker Carlson, Hannity, MTG, Ilhan Omar, Ben Garrison, basically anybody connected with DailyKos/Breitbart/OAN/Newsmax, the sycophants of the Trump administration.. 

I'm sure there are others.. 

41 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

 

 

Here's her video and audio.  I'm white, oh the horror!

 

 

pfft, I knew I was "loudly white" ever since I first tried dribbling a basketball. 

4 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

She's a whackadoodle. She's on my growing list of lunatics who I would send to a deserted island (or maybe Oklahoma, nobody cares about that state) and create a reality TV show around. 

Also on the list are: Tucker Carlson, Hannity, MTG, Ilhan Omar, Ben Garrison, basically anybody connected with DailyKos/Breitbart/OAN/Newsmax, the sycophants of the Trump administration.. 

I'm sure there are others.. 

I read White Fragility, and what's sad is there are some good pieces in there that are valid but she just goes way off the deep end with white guilt.  A lot of these ideas start with good intentions and then the extra woke lunacy takes over.

Just now, NOTW said:

I read White Fragility, and what's sad is there are some good pieces in there that are valid but she just goes way off the deep end with white guilt.  A lot of these ideas start with good intentions and then the extra woke lunacy takes over.

Yeah, there is clearly an element of white fragility that rings true. The problem is that when you layer on it and leverage it out to ridiculous proportions. 

Race identification is also self-perpetuating. The more we focus on it, the more it becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy for some. Racism then comes full circle because now by focusing on it so damn hard it becomes the new racism, same as the old.

I guess "some white folk are defensive about the benefits their whiteness gets them" isn't enough of a seller to achieve the levels of grift necessary.

Pretty much the basic problem that is creeping in to too many schools these days. 

13 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

She's a whackadoodle. She's on my growing list of lunatics who I would send to a deserted island (or maybe Oklahoma, nobody cares about that state) and create a reality TV show around. 

Also on the list are: Tucker Carlson, Hannity, MTG, Ilhan Omar, Ben Garrison, basically anybody connected with DailyKos/Breitbart/OAN/Newsmax, the sycophants of the Trump administration.. 

I'm sure there are others.. 

Don’t forget to reserve a spot for KZ.

16 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Don’t forget to reserve a spot for KZ.

yeah, unfortunately there's an overwhelming number of right-wing lunatics that deserve a place. 

the left certainly has its crazies, but the majority of prominent right-wingers that have embraced insanity seems neverending.

don't know how I missed D'Souza in my earlier list. 

 

I miss McCain...

 

10 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

yeah, unfortunately there's an overwhelming number of right-wing lunatics that deserve a place. 

the left certainly has its crazies, but the majority of prominent right-wingers that have embraced insanity seems neverending.

don't know how I missed D'Souza in my earlier list. 

 

I miss McCain...

 

Straight from another comment section about Jan 6th:  

The liberators at the capitol building were right and for a few short hours the politicians feared the people instead of the people fearing the politicians.  They were breaching a government building. The capitol. Why the capitol and not the local town hall? Because that is where they decide to allocate all the tax money taken from the people.  and 4 unarmed protestors were shot and killed by police there.  Then 20k national guard troops came in and were ready to kill American civilians. if you do not understand what the liberation of the capitol building meant.  You never will.  Go enlist and be cannon fodder.  Then when you try to enslave American civilians.  i will kill you.

We have a large chunk of our own citizens who actually believe stupid sheet like this (NVM that it had nothing to do with taxes........).

On 7/31/2021 at 5:52 AM, DrPhilly said:

I'd absolutely take you up on that if I actually was an apologist for white supremacy but I'm not so I can't accept the deal.  Thanks for admitting you cry racism too much though Dave.

The first step is admitting it.  I see you’re not there yet.  Ok.

21 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

The first step is admitting it.  I see you’re not there yet.  Ok.

Well you can’t truthfully admit something you haven’t done so I’ll never get there.