2 minutes ago, toolg said:

Those parents likely hated school when they were kids, didn't pay attention, didn't do well.... Now they want to tell the teachers what to do! 

Alot of self serving assumption there. 
 

instead of denial actually listen to the feedback from the customer base

Just now, ToastJenkins said:

Alot of self serving assumption there. 
 

instead of denial actually listen to the feedback from the customer base

I am the customer base. The parents showing up to my school board complaining about CRT are full of crap! They should ignore them.

29 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

I've seen people arguing against CRT in every school board meeting, despite the fact that my district has taught nothing even approaching the things they're claiming are CRT.

They've been told time and again that our district has no CRT or "CRT-like" curriculum, but they don't believe it because Tucker and co. tell them to be afraid.

Right wing voters are by their nature more easy to motivate with fear.

Remember when the left told their base that police officers were genociding black people in the streets and then retarded ishlibs violently rioted for an entire summer causing catastrophic damages and deaths because they believed it? Left wing voters are by their nature more easy to motivate with fear.

One thing is clear, The Trumplican's Personal Jesus Christ, doesn't know what CRT is. But if white people are cast in a negative light he's against it. White Power.

https://time.com/5891138/critical-race-theory-explained/

During the first general election Presidential debate on Tuesday night, President Donald Trump was asked to explain his Administration’s directive to all federal agencies to stop anti-bias trainings that rely on critical race theory or address white privilege.

"I ended it because it’s racist. I ended it because a lot of people were complaining that they were asked to do things that were absolutely insane, that it was a radical revolution that was taking place in our military, in our schools, all over the place,” Trump said, though he did not directly answer moderator Chris Wallace’s question about whether he believes that systemic racism exists in the U.S. "We were paying people hundreds of thousands of dollars to teach very bad ideas and frankly, very sick ideas. And really, they were teaching people to hate our country, and I’m not going to allow that to happen.”

40 minutes ago, toolg said:

I am the customer base. The parents showing up to my school board complaining about CRT are full of crap! They should ignore them.

So are they. You dismiss and insult them and expect any other reaction?

So, for example, Segregation was legal. If People criticize that law, as biased because the law is used by Whites to target a specific minority group, then according to Trumplicans it's racist, sick and vile and teaches children to hate country.

 Trumplicans are like

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

We even have advocates out here in Indiana lobbying boards to include crt so you guys are being rather disingenuous.

the greater point to take is that parents largely dont trust teachers and school admins anymore. Which they probably shouldnt

You're advocating for community members to simply not trust one another. I don't see this as a good thing for the nation. 

This is why having political parties coalesced around cultural issues is a bigger problem in the era of social media than it might have been in earlier times. 

8 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said:

So, for example, Segregation was legal. If People criticize that law, as biased because the law is used by Whites to target a specific minority group, then according to Trumplicans it's racist, sick and vile and teaches children to hate country.

 Trumplicans are like

Who here is advocating that segregation was a good thing?

2 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Who here is advocating that segregation was a good thing?

No one (I am sure there are one or two nutbags who would). I think there are people arguing that it should not be taught that it, or slavery, existed.

History has lots of warts. Even US history. Pretending it doesn't, is dishonest. Worse, you fail to learn from history.

1 minute ago, Outlaw said:

Who here is advocating that segregation was a good thing?

Those against CRT, who oppose teachers, educating their students about Segregation, slavery, racism and housing discrimination for starters.

1 minute ago, Toastrel said:

No one (I am sure there are one or two nutbags who would). I think there are people arguing that it should not be taught that it, or slavery, existed.

History has lots of warts. Even US history. Pretending it doesn't, is dishonest. Worse, you fail to learn from history.

Don't think most rational folks disagree with US history being taught.  I certainly learned about the civil rights movement, slavery, segregation, etc. and that was over 20 years ago.  The issue falls in how it's presented, not what is presented.

9 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

You're advocating for community members to simply not trust one another. I don't see this as a good thing for the nation. 

This is why having political parties coalesced around cultural issues is a bigger problem in the era of social media than it might have been in earlier times. 

His advocacy is one step away from book burning. 

1 minute ago, Outlaw said:

Don't think most rational folks disagree with US history being taught.  I certainly learned about the civil rights movement, slavery, segregation, etc. and that was over 20 years ago.  The issue falls in how it's presented, not what is presented.

Then you must have been taught to hate our country. Because that's what we are being told by those who oppose CRT. 

Just now, jsdarkstar said:

Then you must have been taught to hate our country. Because that's what we are being told by those who oppose CRT. 

Nah man, just think most parents don't want their kids schools to turn into the Bank Street school in Manhattan.  There's a difference in explaining the past accurately versus teaching children that since they are white they're born privileged, that based on our history the US is still inherently racist, etc.  

 

10 minutes ago, Toastrel said:

No one (I am sure there are one or two nutbags who would). I think there are people arguing that it should not be taught that it, or slavery, existed.

History has lots of warts. Even US history. Pretending it doesn't, is dishonest. Worse, you fail to learn from history.

You would be incorrect.

3 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Nah man, just think most parents don't want their kids schools to turn into the Bank Street school in Manhattan.  There's a difference in explaining the past accurately versus teaching children that since they are white they're born privileged, that based on our history the US is still inherently racist, etc.  

It's a pretty simple argument that ishlibs have to constantly feign ignorance on to keep going.

Parents see insane anti-white, liberal propaganda being taught in schools. Tell schools to knock it off.

Liberals act confused because technically the liberal propaganda being taught in schools doesn't fall specifically under a lesson plan entitled "Critical Race Theory." They then claim parents just don't want slavery taught in schools.

And back and fourth another week.

18 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Don't think most rational folks disagree with US history being taught.  I certainly learned about the civil rights movement, slavery, segregation, etc. and that was over 20 years ago.  The issue falls in how it's presented, not what is presented.

The problem, I think, is that rational folks are an endangered species in the US. On all sides.

Every issue is only allowed 2 sides. My side, the good side, and the other side, which is EVIL AND WANTS TO DESTROY......

23 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said:

Those against CRT, who oppose teachers, educating their students about Segregation, slavery, racism and housing discrimination for starters.

I haven't seen reports of anyone argue against teaching those topics.

32 minutes ago, Toastrel said:

No one (I am sure there are one or two nutbags who would). I think there are people arguing that it should not be taught that it, or slavery, existed.

History has lots of warts. Even US history. Pretending it doesn't, is dishonest. Worse, you fail to learn from history.

I am sure there are one or two nutbags who advocate for that, but the vast majority believe all of history should be taught. What should not be taught is that anyone alive today is responsible in any way for what took place or that they should feel any shame or guilt for things they didn't do. 

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

So are they. You dismiss and insult them and expect any other reaction?

You mean all the kids that sat in the back of the room at school throwing spitballs and flicking boogers... Now they are grown up sending their own kids to school. I should listen to them about what they think of education?

5 minutes ago, PoconoDon said:

I am sure there are one or two nutbags who advocate for that, but the vast majority believe all of history should be taught. What should not be taught is that anyone alive today is responsible in any way for what took place or that they should feel any shame or guilt for things they didn't do. 

That does not sound like history to me. Toss that crap into sociology or the humanities. You know, the fuzzy pretend sciences.

I think you guys are discussing a term for which you do not work from a shared definition.  Kind of reminds me of many discussions Munson had in here.

 

 

 

18 minutes ago, Toastrel said:

The problem, I think, is that rational folks are an endangered species in the US. On all sides.

Every issue is only allowed 2 sides. My side, the good side, and the other side, which is EVIL AND WANTS TO DESTROY......

Can't say I disagree.  Damn it, twice in a week!

7 minutes ago, PoconoDon said:

I am sure there are one or two nutbags who advocate for that, but the vast majority believe all of history should be taught. What should not be taught is that anyone alive today is responsible in any way for what took place or that they should feel any shame or guilt for things they didn't do. 

This.

1 minute ago, toolg said:

You mean all the kids that sat in the back of the room at school throwing spitballs and flicking boogers... Now they are grown up sending their own kids to school. I should listen to them about what they think of education?

This pretentiousness is exactly why people feel the way they do.  

Just now, Toastrel said:

That does not sound like history to me. Toss that crap into sociology or the humanities. You know, the fuzzy pretend sciences.

The "problem" is that there are some school districts decision makers that want to include that nonsense. There are some children's books already published and being used that message that very toxic crap. Essentially the message is "If you're white, you're the problem." Save that bologna for college electives. Hate indoctrination has no place in K-12.

1 hour ago, toolg said:

Those parents likely hated school when they were kids, didn't pay attention, didn't do well.... Now they want to tell the teachers what to do! 

Maybe they just had sheety teachers