1 minute ago, VanHammersly said:

Also, your "plan" isn't saving anyone anything on property taxes.  Teaching less subjects in the same amount of time saves very little and kids still need to go to school until around 3PM, because parents specifically work around that time.  If you teach kids for 4 hours a day, you'd save money, but you'd create an even lazier group of kids with nothing to do all day and a bunch of parents that can't afford childcare.  So your plan would have to be just teaching kids math and grammar for a full day, which is an enormous waste of time when there are other important skills that they could be learning.

No I think we can have people out the door by 8th grade.  Saved 4 years 

2 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said:

So never mind all this other stuff, teach the crap out of English and Math, have kids doing Complex Number Analysis by 8th grade and philosophy of language

if they want to know how humans arrived at this point in history go to college

So do nothing to drum up interest in any other subjects until the kid becomes an adult?

 

Yeah that's really really dumb.

Just now, Boogyman said:

So do nothing to drum up interest in any other subjects until the kid becomes an adult?

 

Yeah that's really really dumb.

No, goverment do nothing.  Not no one do anything

Just now, Seventy_Yard_FG said:

No I think we can have people out the door by 8th grade.  Saved 4 years 

So everyone's going to college at 14?

I have no idea why I'm entertaining this since you A.) don't have kids, B) have no idea what you're talking about and C) are obviously trolling.

Just now, VanHammersly said:

So everyone's going to college at 14?

I have no idea why I'm entertaining this since you A.) don't have kids, B) have no idea what you're talking about and C) are obviously trolling.

Well D) this is how they did it up until maybe about 150 years ago

Rufo does a great job of clarifying exactly what CRT is when taught in schools:

Basically you have to be completely retarded to want your children subjected to it. In other words, you have to be a liberal. DCotP.

Just now, Seventy_Yard_FG said:

Well D) this is how they did it up until maybe about 150 years ago

Yeah, when kids did this after 8th grade (or before):

I am leaving this discussion with one last comment. You often try too hard to present these "outside the box" ideas and they are always just flat out bad. 

1 minute ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said:

Well D) this is how they did it up until maybe about 150 years ago

They also burned witches at the stake because they thought witchcraft was real. Thankfully we have come a long way since those days.

3 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said:

No, goverment do nothing.  Not no one do anything

Luckily since I both pay taxes and vote, I'd never vote in a way that would allow this idiotic idea to come to fruition. And thankfully I doubt many other would either.

8 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Rufo does a great job of clarifying exactly what CRT is when taught in schools:

Basically you have to be completely retarded to want your children subjected to it. In other words, you have to be a liberal. DCotP.

I still want to know the axioms of crt and what it proposes

8 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

Yeah, when kids did this after 8th grade (or before):

Or when kids were lawyers at 17

22 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said:

So never mind all this other stuff, teach the crap out of English and Math, have kids doing Complex Number Analysis by 8th grade and philosophy of language

if they want to know how humans arrived at this point in history go to college

A waste of time would be teaching English. I can voice to text entire paragraphs and not worry about grammar. Also, Cursive isn't taught in schools anymore. 

But yes let's not teach kids history. Just skip over the 1930s and 40s and we will wonder why history repeats itself so often. 

Where in the USA is critical race theory taught, outside schools where people pay to go?

Just now, DaEagles4Life said:

A waste of time would be teaching English. I can voice to text entire paragraphs and not worry about grammar. Also, Cursive isn't taught in schools anymore. 

But yes let's not teach kids history. Just skip over the 1930s and 40s and we will wonder why history repeats itself so often. 

Grammar involves style and communicating precisely what you mean. A computer can’t know what you meant

1 minute ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said:

A computer can’t know what you meant

A computer can know anything it is programmed to know.

26 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said:

I still want to know the axioms of crt and what it proposes

Or when kids were lawyers at 17

Then use the internet and educate yourself… just like you propose our education system should be reduced to.

 

That was also before modern medicine, when life expectancy was around 50.

28 minutes ago, Toastrel said:

Where in the USA is critical race theory taught, outside schools where people pay to go?

 No matter how many examples are posted, it keeps asking the same willfully ignorant questions.  You have to admire the willingness and commitment to exposing your own ignorance to defend the cause.

5 hours ago, NOTW said:

I read various articles about it (from left, center and right) and even a Fox news article aligned with what the others said, which is pretty much what you said here.  The summary seems to be that attempts at equality in the past didn't permanently solve the problems, for example how the 13th amendment banned slavery...except imprisonment for crimes.  The scholars had a legal perspective and it was an academic group studying it in university, it wasn't something meant to be taught in K-12 education.  

Somehow CRT has become a concept that has people on both sides politically not understanding it.  It's a buzzword like "defund the police" that gets used whenever someone is wanting to teach about race.

One one hand I see teachers and liberals saying we have to teach the real history worts and all, and people on the right thinking that any attempts to update history lessons to include examining issues of race more closely is anti-white rhetoric.  It's our social media culture and people not taking time to understand anything, and the media and politicians contribute to it.

Good post. I think that, as a conceptual framework, it is on solid ground and should be taught. Now, whether it should be taught K-12 is a whole different ballgame. The matter of when and how to teach it is really the question that everyone should be asking. I think some advanced high school upperclassmen should be able to handle these ideas well, like in AP classes. But elementary and middle school is very different. At the very least, teaching this to young kids needs to be done very delicately. There needs to be a whole different approach to the topic for kids at those levels, and the curriculum has to be specifically designed to include it and address it in a way that is meaningful and relevant. It would be too easy to have these ideas misunderstood or not understood at all, because the reality is that this started as a graduate-level framework for understanding post-modern social history. Most adults have a hard time understanding it. I think that wanting to teach this to young kids can be seen as ambitious and even admirable, but you need a plan and your heart needs to be in the right place.

36 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

 No matter how many examples are posted, it keeps asking the same willfully ignorant questions.  You have to admire the willingness and commitment to exposing your own ignorance to defend the cause.

It is a question. You could have answered it, apparently.

2 hours ago, DaEagles4Life said:

A waste of time would be teaching English. I can voice to text entire paragraphs and not worry about grammar. Also, Cursive isn't taught in schools anymore.

 

Wow, you could not be more wrong. Kids are absolutely horrible at communicating in written language today, even worse at reading comprehension. And to the latter point, this is an abject failure of contemporary education. I can't tell you how many times I've had kids come to me to read something for them because "we didn't learn cursive." Or worse, asked me tell the time on a analog clock.

7 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

Wow, you could not be more wrong. Kids are absolutely horrible at communicating in written language today, even worse at reading comprehension. And to the latter point, this is an abject failure of contemporary education. I can't tell you how many times I've had kids come to me to read something for them because "we didn't learn cursive." Or worse, asked me tell the time on a analog clock.

Check the settings on your sarcasm detector.

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

Check the settings on your sarcasm detector.

 

I was kind of wondering about that. I just needed to read further back, but I just can't give that much commitment to this tread, lol.

  

3 hours ago, Kz! said:

Rufo does a great job of clarifying exactly what CRT is when taught in schools:

 

The article is cut off midway through behind a paywall. This line made me go "WTF" however:

"In recent months, lawmakers in 24 states have introduced, and six have enacted, legislation banning public schools from promoting critical race theory’s core concepts, including race essentialism, collective guilt and racial superiority. "
 

CRT does not in any way promote racial superiority. That line is, to borrow a term, utterly retarded and goes to show that most people screaming about "CRT" don't know jack about it. Now, if you want to say that the concept has been abused and that there are radical positions being taught in schools with self-defeating racial themes, I'm all ears. Perhaps some of these schools are even doing it under the banner of CRT, but they do that misguidedly. My point that people talking about CRT don't understand it isn't just about the right; I think many on the left go about promoting their own brand of idiocy and might frame it as CRT when they really don't understand it, this includes teachers. A lot of teachers are morons.

If people actually want to get a good grasp of basic concepts related to CRT, they'd do well to research this woman's works:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimberlé_Williams_Crenshaw

I've seen her in some recent interviews and think that she does a good job of framing the concepts in ways that are accessible to most people.

4 hours ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said:

No I think we can have people out the door by 8th grade.  Saved 4 years 

We already have that group:

I haven’t read the whole thread but so far my main take-away is that 70 yard field goal wants kids to graduate in eighth grade.

4 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

I haven’t read the whole thread but so far my main take-away is that 70 yard field goal wants kids to graduate in eighth grade.

He basically wants only reading and math to be taught in public schools. So no formal exposure to science or history during a kids formative years. He undoubtedly thinks this will drive our nation to the top in education.

 

I feel he has a lot of trouble looking at the world from outside his own limited experiences. It's a bad trait IMO.