5 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Got the call from HR today telling me to prepare to lose one of my people over vaccine refusal.

I'd honestly question the value of anyone who can't figure out the correct answer to such an easy decision like this. I'd be worried about what other poor and uninformed decisions they'd be making related to their actual workstreams. 

2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I'd honestly question the value of anyone who can't figure out the correct answer to such an easy decision like this. I'd be worried about what other poor and uninformed decisions they'd be making related to their actual workstreams. 

I convinced a friend of mine to finally get the vaccine. He went for it today. Now I sit and wait for him to start feeling like crap and cursing me out and saying I was wrong and the vaccine made him sick

I work with a fellow who will quit his high paying network engineer job because he will not get vaccinated.

The medical facility he spends most of his days in requires everyone to be vaccinated.

59 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

How do you feel about it?

I like this person but a policy without any teeth isn't a real policy. While we don't interact with patients, we interact plenty with doctors who do. It's a sensible policy and one I support.

59 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I'd honestly question the value of anyone who can't figure out the correct answer to such an easy decision like this. I'd be worried about what other poor and uninformed decisions they'd be making related to their actual workstreams. 

This person is a young person and from what I understand their significant other, who this person is not married to, is telling them not to get vaccinated. If that's the case, its an even more foolish decision. 

1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I'd honestly question the value of anyone who can't figure out the correct answer to such an easy decision like this. I'd be worried about what other poor and uninformed decisions they'd be making related to their actual workstreams. 

I hope they're not eligible for unemployment

10 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

I hope they're not eligible for unemployment

I don't necessarily hold anything against them personally. I have a relative that I know for a fact is a really good person, but just deluded into thinking their immune system is better off fighting the virus on its own rather than "putting a shot in their body that they don't know what's in it". That being said, I'm not sure I'd want this person working on anything important for me either, at least in a professional setting. 

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I don't necessarily hold anything against them personally. I have a relative that I know for a fact is a really good person, but just deluded into thinking their immune system is better off fighting the virus on its own rather than "putting a shot in their body that they don't know what's in it". That being said, I'm not sure I'd want this person working on anything important for me either, at least in a professional setting. 

Being dismissed from a job through misconduct typically means you're not eligible for unemployment. That's more what I was getting at. 

1 minute ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

Being dismissed from a job through misconduct typically means you're not eligible for unemployment. That's more what I was getting at. 

Oh gotcha

1 hour ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

I hope they're not eligible for unemployment

They aren't

14 minutes ago, Gannan said:

They aren't

Unfortunately they can take their case to arbitration, and have a good chance of winning. 
The hammer falls both ways.

16 minutes ago, Talkingbirds said:

Unfortunately they can take their case to arbitration, and have a good chance of winning. 
The hammer falls both ways.

I believe PA and NJ are denying claims based on "I refuse the vaccine". Someone in one of the 3rd world red states down south might have better luck. 

2 hours ago, Gannan said:

This person is a young person and from what I understand their significant other, who this person is not married to, is telling them not to get vaccinated. If that's the case, its an even more foolish decision. 

Just go get the vaccine at lunch time and never tell your spouse, easy fix. 

You aret already vaccinated for a half a dozen diseases. You can get an FDA approved vaccine.

Your chances of a bad reaction are far less than your chances of one to COVID.

Do the smart thing.

48 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Just go get the vaccine at lunch time and never tell your spouse, easy fix. 

She'll eventually catch on once her keys start sticking to his arm.

6 hours ago, Toastrel said:

I work with a fellow who will quit his high paying network engineer job because he will not get vaccinated.

The medical facility he spends most of his days in requires everyone to be vaccinated.

Good riddance to that dude.   What's with computer people these days?   They used to be hippies and generally liberal (Steve Jobs was a hippie in his young days).  It seems they are now mostly conservative.  Not sure why that flipped.

4 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I don't necessarily hold anything against them personally. I have a relative that I know for a fact is a really good person, but just deluded into thinking their immune system is better off fighting the virus on its own rather than "putting a shot in their body that they don't know what's in it". That being said, I'm not sure I'd want this person working on anything important for me either, at least in a professional setting. 

So does this person go to restaurants and before eating, send everything out to a lab, so he knows what's in it?     

On 9/9/2021 at 2:08 PM, vikas83 said:

I think that was an awful ruling, but such a mandate isn't needed. Tying it to government funding and services does the same thing without the Constitutional issues.

How do you feel about George Washington - father of our country, mandating his soldiers be vaccinated:

"The summer campaigns were about to begin and Washington could not afford to have a large number of his men incapacitated for a month, vulnerable to attack by the British. Washington eventually instituted a system where new recruits would be inoculated with smallpox immediately upon enlistment. As a result soldiers would contract the milder form of the disease at the same time that they were being outfitted with uniforms and weapons. Soldiers would consequently be completely healed, inoculated, and supplied by the time they left to join the army."

https://www.mountvernon.org/library/digitalhistory/digital-encyclopedia/article/smallpox/

 

10 minutes ago, caesar said:

So does this person go to restaurants and before eating, send everything out to a lab, so he knows what's in it?     

To frame this in the appropriate context, when we were both in high school, I'd tag along with him on a couple occasions trying to score some weed. He'd find dealers in some neighborhoods that were shady as F so lord knows what they could've laced that stuff with at any given time. So yeah, I doubt a detailed breakdown of what peglyated lipid nanoparticles are is what's holding him back.

On 8/15/2021 at 1:58 PM, Lloyd said:

Public school across all 50 states have required kids to have shots for measles, rubella, polio, and chickenpox for years. Newsmax turns vaccinations into some "freedom" issue —to attract an audience— and suddenly it's supposed to bring about the end of society. 

There's a happy middle here.  Measles, rubella, polio and chickenpox vaccines have been around for years.  Covid vaccines have not.  Only the Pfizer is FDA approved, and that is just very recently.   While some vaccines do require booster shots - multiple boosters after short intervals is unheard of.

7 minutes ago, Procus said:

There's a happy middle here.  Measles, rubella, polio and chickenpox vaccines have been around for years.  Covid vaccines have not.  Only the Pfizer is FDA approved, and that is just very recently.   While some vaccines do require booster shots - multiple boosters after short intervals is unheard of.

  It's always the trumpbots that are literally the dumbest humans ever to have existed in history.

 

All infants younger than 24 months should receive four doses of the vaccine, the first one at 2 months. The next two shots should be given at 4 months and 6 months, with a final booster that should be given at 12 to 15 months. Children who do not get their shot at these times should still get the vaccine.

https://www.webmd.com/children/vaccines/pneumococcal-vaccine-1

8 minutes ago, Procus said:

There's a happy middle here.  Measles, rubella, polio and chickenpox vaccines have been around for years.  Covid vaccines have not.  Only the Pfizer is FDA approved, and that is just very recently.   While some vaccines do require booster shots - multiple boosters after short intervals is unheard of.

The stupid. It burns. 

2 hours ago, Toastrel said:

You aret already vaccinated for a half a dozen diseases. You can get an FDA approved vaccine.

Your chances of a bad reaction are far less than your chances of one to COVID.

Do the smart thing.

I consider myself fortunate. Other than soreness at the injection site, I never had the symptoms many report after the 2nd shot. It kicked my wife's ass for about 36 hours, but I went to work the following day expecting it to hit me later that day, but it never happened.

2 hours ago, caesar said:

Good riddance to that dude.   What's with computer people these days?   They used to be hippies and generally liberal (Steve Jobs was a hippie in his young days).  It seems they are now mostly conservative.  Not sure why that flipped.

IT people skew libertarian, not liberal.

1 minute ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

IT people skew libertarian, not liberal.

This is accurate. It's the devs that are typically liberal.