10 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said:

Doubly so because this is still an experimental measure, and it doesn’t even stop you from spreading.

False.  10000% false.   Does it prevent 100% of infections?  Of course not.   Even vaccines that have been around for decades (like the Measels vaccine) don’t prevent 100% of infections.   But it absolutely is effective at preventing infections, and thus preventing the spread of the virus.  
You are very uninformed on the subject.  

Just now, Phillyterp85 said:

False.  10000% false.   Does it prevent 100% of infections?  Of course not.   Even vaccines that have been around for decades (like the Measels vaccine) don’t prevent 100% of infections.   But it absolutely is effective at preventing infections, and thus preventing the spread of the virus.  
You are very uninformed on the subject.  

False.  Other vaccines of course don’t stop 100%, but they stop so much that nobody really cares about a few cases that get through. 
 

this vaccine, a cruise ship that was over 95% vaccinated had 27 vaccinated people turn up positive with mild symptoms

8 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said:

This vaccine isn’t a vaccine like the rest of the vaccines are vaccines

Yes, it is.  Read more.  Post less.

5 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said:

False.  Other vaccines of course don’t stop 100%, but they stop so much that nobody really cares about a few cases that get through. 
 

this vaccine, a cruise ship that was over 95% vaccinated had 27 vaccinated people turn up positive with mild symptoms

And how many people total were on the ship?

1 minute ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said:

False.  Other vaccines of course don’t stop 100%, but they stop so much that nobody really cares about a few cases that get through. 
 

this vaccine, a cruise ship that was over 95% vaccinated had 27 vaccinated people turn up positive with mild symptoms

So you’re telling me that a vaccine that has only been around for a year, to combat a constantly mutating virus that has only been around for 2 years, that is part of a family of viruses for which no one has EVER been able to produce a vaccine for, isn’t as effective as a vaccine that has been around for decades to combat a virus that has been around for centuries. 
Get out of town…..

And if you’re worried about a vaccine not being close enough to 100% effective at stopping infections, then oh boy do I have some news to share about the flu vaccine…..

8 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said:

False.  Other vaccines of course don’t stop 100%, but they stop so much that nobody really cares about a few cases that get through. 
 

this vaccine, a cruise ship that was over 95% vaccinated had 27 vaccinated people turn up positive with mild symptoms

Also, please post the link to this story.  Cause all I’ve found so far is the story of the millennium cruise ship in which TWO people tested positive and are asymptomatic.

1 hour ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said:

This vaccine isnt really a vaccine.  It's gene therapy.  A real vaccine involves dead viruses.

Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt.  Wrong.   mRNA vaccines are not gene therapy.   And Levis and Wrangler are not injected into your denim cells.

 Gene therapies can have long-lasting effects because they permanently change the cell’s DNA, with these changes being inherited by any daughter cells that result if the cell divides. In contrast, mRNAs are always transitory and are not inherited by daughter cells, making them ideal for use in vaccines.

30 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said:

 

This vaccine isn’t a vaccine like the rest of the vaccines are vaccines

Scared of mRNA - I hear ya buddy.    I know, we should stick with the original vaccine and just rub cow pus on open sores.   "For decades the practice of using scabs or pus from lesions on cows was how smallpox vaccination took place."

Why go for new techniques?   You may want to try blood letting too.  

19 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said:

False.  Other vaccines of course don’t stop 100%, but they stop so much that nobody really cares about a few cases that get through. 
 

this vaccine, a cruise ship that was over 95% vaccinated had 27 vaccinated people turn up positive with mild symptoms

Curious, do you know how long it took to develop the polio vaccine?  Did you know that after 5 years of administering it, it was discovered that about half of the doses weren’t effective and that portion of the vaccine was stopped?  Did you know that early on there was a problem at one of the manufacturing plants for a batch of 200,000 doses that caused 40,000 cases of polio, left 200 kids paralyzed, and killed 10? 
Have some perspective please…

17 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

Also, please post the link to this story.  Cause all I’ve found so far is the story of the millennium cruise ship in which TWO people tested positive and are asymptomatic.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2021/08/15/carnival-cruise-covid-19-outbreak-27-vaccinated-people-test-positive-for-coronavirus/?sh=1ac20472320f

24 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said:

False.  Other vaccines of course don’t stop 100%, but they stop so much that nobody really cares about a few cases that get through. 
 

this vaccine, a cruise ship that was over 95% vaccinated had 27 vaccinated people turn up positive with mild symptoms

So now your an expert on the efficacy of vaccines?    Here's a chart I found online of various vaccines -- many are less than 90%.   Covid vaccines are as effective and more so, than many of these common vaccines.  Pfizer and MOderna are close to 95%.   Why are you so ignorant?  Are you watching Trump TV all the time?

http://www.bccdc.ca/resource-gallery/Documents/Guidelines and Forms/Guidelines and Manuals/Epid/CD Manual/Chapter 2 - Imms/VaccineImmunogenicity.pdf

 

16 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

Curious, do you know how long it took to develop the polio vaccine?  Did you know that after 5 years of administering it, it was discovered that about half of the doses weren’t effective and that portion of the vaccine was stopped?  Did you know that early on there was a problem at one of the manufacturing plants for a batch of 200,000 doses that caused 40,000 cases of polio, left 200 kids paralyzed, and killed 10? 
Have some perspective please…

Yup and guess what.  We don't treat the plague with blood letting anymore.  Hence - mRNA vaccines.   95% effective.  gazillions have taken it.   Why are you a baby scaredy cat?   OMG, its too new for me,  I might die.  Help me mommy!    Dude, I've read books on vaccine development -- have you?  Ever hear of the Wistar institute -- right here in the city of Philadelphia.    Read about it.   https://wistar.org/history

Yes, it used to take much longer to do many things.    Ya know, it used to take months to get to London from Philadelphia.  Why, now I can do it in 7 hours.    Should we stick with the tried and true boat?  

25 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

So you’re telling me that a vaccine that has only been around for a year, to combat a constantly mutating virus that has only been around for 2 years, that is part of a family of viruses for which no one has EVER been able to produce a vaccine for, isn’t as effective as a vaccine that has been around for decades to combat a virus that has been around for centuries. 
Get out of town…..

And if you’re worried about a vaccine not being close enough to 100% effective at stopping infections, then oh boy do I have some news to share about the flu vaccine…..

So anytime there is a "novel" virus, you'll wait decades I guess. Good luck with that.   You know what the word novel means -- right?   

27 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said:

And how many people total were on the ship?

About 4000

33 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said:

False.  Other vaccines of course don’t stop 100%, but they stop so much that nobody really cares about a few cases that get through. 
 

this vaccine, a cruise ship that was over 95% vaccinated had 27 vaccinated people turn up positive with mild symptoms

And they had mild symptoms BECAUSE they were vaccinated.  So this story bolsters the argument that you should be vaccinated.  Duh!   Or is better to have severe symptoms?  

2 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said:

About 4000

So you are making the argument to get a vaccine.   Of 4000 there were 27 breakthrough infections.  All mild or asymptomatic.   That's good news and more support for vaccination.  Thanks for supporting the logic of getting the covid vaccine.

Just now, caesar said:

So you are making the argument to get a vaccine.   Of 4000 there were 27 breakthrough infections.  All mild or asymptomatic.   That's good news and more support for vaccination.  Thanks for supporting the logic of getting the covid vaccine.

The 1500 crew were 99.98% vaccinated.  26 crew were infected.  The passengers were 95% vaccinated and there were more or them.  1 was infected

Just now, Seventy_Yard_FG said:

The 1500 crew were 99.98% vaccinated.  26 crew were infected.  The passengers were 95% vaccinated and there were more or them.  1 was infected

And?  None of that means the vaccine is bad.   And the point is :  "most are asymptomatic or have very mild symptoms"

That is because of the vaccine.  The people in ICUs now are generally the unvaccinated (not the vaccinated with breakthroughs).

41 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said:

False.  Other vaccines of course don’t stop 100%, but they stop so much that nobody really cares about a few cases that get through. 
 

this vaccine, a cruise ship that was over 95% vaccinated had 27 vaccinated people turn up positive with mild symptoms

I'm sorry, but that is just terrible logic.

"People were vaccinated and some still got sick. Obviously the vaccine doesn't stop the spread."

That's just dumb man. No other way to say it.

The vaccine is like putting hurdles in front of a virus trying to spread. Just slowing it down 50% makes a huge difference in a virus with exponential spread. 

Getting the vaccine is like turning a .400 hitter into a .100 hitter. Just because a .100 hitter still gets the occasional hit doesn't mean it's the same with or without.

Come on man.  

3 minutes ago, caesar said:

And?  None of that means the vaccine is bad.   And the point is :  "most are asymptomatic or have very mild symptoms"

That is because of the vaccine.  The people in ICUs now are generally the unvaccinated (not the vaccinated with breakthroughs).

Maybe.  We don’t know that.  They may be asymptomatic because they had natural immunity before the vaccine

Also the numbers in your second point are still evolving

2 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

I'm sorry, but that is just terrible logic.

"People were vaccinated and some still got sick. Obviously the vaccine doesn't stop the spread."

That's just dumb man. No other way to say it.

The vaccine is like putting hurdles in front of a virus trying to spread. Just slowing it down 50% makes a huge difference in a virus with exponential spread. 

Getting the vaccine is like turning a .400 hitter into a .100 hitter. Just because a .100 hitter still gets the occasional hit doesn't mean it's the same with or without.

Come on man.  

That’s fine if it were just putting hurdles in front, but the problem is that it’s not a risk free proposition

1 minute ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said:

That’s fine if it were just putting hurdles in front, but the problem is that it’s not a risk free proposition

Nothing in life is risk free.

The risks of Covid are far more likely than any risks of mRNA vaccines.

3 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

Nothing in life is risk free.

The risks of Covid are far more likely than any risks of mRNA vaccines.

Well that’s what you think, perhaps you are probably obese or something so the risks of Covid for you are great enough to warrant an experimental vaccine

1 hour ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said:

Of course those aren't the goal posts.  That's more like the red zone

This vaccine isnt really a vaccine.  It's gene therapy.  A real vaccine involves dead viruses.

Our brain isn't really a brain. A real Seventy_Yard_FG brain involves mostly dead brain cells.

57 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said:

And how many people total were on the ship?

Minor details...

The positive cases were among 26 crew members and one passenger on the Carnival Vista, which is carrying over 1,400 crew and nearly 3,000 passengers, the board said in a statement. The ship arrived Wednesday in Belize City.