August 16, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Phillyterp85 said: Also, please post the link to this story. Cause all I’ve found so far is the story of the millennium cruise ship in which TWO people tested positive and are asymptomatic. A floating cesspool packed with 4,400 people shoulder to shoulder had 27 breakthrough infections. If that's not proof that vaccines actually do prevent transmission, then I don't know what is. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/carnival-cruise-covid-outbreak/
August 16, 20214 yr Author 4 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: A floating cesspool packed with 4,400 people shoulder to shoulder had 27 breakthrough infections. If that's not proof that vaccines actually do prevent transmission, then I don't know what is. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/carnival-cruise-covid-outbreak/ How many cases of the flu or measles mumps and rubella were there?
August 16, 20214 yr Author I think I just hit on something on the last page. You guys are all fat aren’t you? So your risk of dying from Covid is higher, so of course you want everyone vaccinated
August 16, 20214 yr 5 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said: How many cases of the flu or measles mumps and rubella were there? None, thanks for vaccination. We did have a mumps outbreak in 2006, thanks to anti-vax morons, apparently who are people like you.
August 16, 20214 yr Author Just now, Toastrel said: None, thanks for vaccination. So this vaccine is at least 27 times less effective than real vaccines
August 16, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said: How many cases of the flu or measles mumps and rubella were there? Here’s a better question, what did cruise ship outbreaks look like prior to vaccines being available? https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/11/20-1165_article 20% of passengers infected, 0.3% of passengers died. So thanks for proving that the vaccines work!
August 16, 20214 yr 6 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said: I think I just hit on something on the last page. You guys are all fat aren’t you? So your risk of dying from Covid is higher, so of course you want everyone vaccinated No. I am probably older, healthier and in much better shape than you are.
August 16, 20214 yr 19 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Minor details... The positive cases were among 26 crew members and one passenger on the Carnival Vista, which is carrying over 1,400 crew and nearly 3,000 passengers, the board said in a statement. The ship arrived Wednesday in Belize City. The most dangerous part of that statement is that they're in Belize. 8 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said: I think I just hit on something on the last page. You guys are all fat aren’t you? So your risk of dying from Covid is higher, so of course you want everyone vaccinated No, we're not fat. We just seem to understand the risks and rewards better.
August 16, 20214 yr 11 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said: How many cases of the flu or measles mumps and rubella were there? Yeah because flu outbreaks never happen on cruise ships. Lol what are you even talking about?????
August 16, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: Yeah because flu outbreaks never happen on cruise ships. Lol what are you even talking about????? About a decade ago I was on a cruise ship with a severe rotovirus(I think that's what it was called) breakout. Literally, pretty much everyone got it. If less than a percent of people on a cruise ship got covid I'd say that really good proof vaccines are working.
August 16, 20214 yr Author 25 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: Here’s a better question, what did cruise ship outbreaks look like prior to vaccines being available? https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/11/20-1165_article 20% of passengers infected, 0.3% of passengers died. So thanks for proving that the vaccines work! I’ll go for a vaccine that gets rid of 99.9% of cases, and I’ll overlook the experimental part. But it’s just common knowledge at this point that the vaccine is more like 80% effective, maybe because of different variants. I’m not interested in 80% chance of immunity and 1% of unknown side effects
August 16, 20214 yr Just now, Seventy_Yard_FG said: I’ll go for a vaccine that gets rid of 99.9% of cases, and I’ll overlook the experimental part. But it’s just common knowledge at this point that the vaccine is more like 80% effective, maybe because of different variants. I’m not interested in 80% chance of immunity and 1% of unknown side effects Except for the fact that you are completely making up the 1% side effects figure. And you realize 80% effectiveness is very good, right? When you consider it’s a novel virus, it’s actually excellent. The flu vaccine is 40-60% effective and flu vaccines have been around for nearly 100 years.
August 16, 20214 yr Author And you know from a policy perspective, it probably makes sense that you save a million but you sacrifice 40,000 people or something like that. But for me, I have to look and decide whether I might fit the very sort of mold that causes people to drop into that 40,000 bucket or the one million bucket.
August 16, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said: And you know from a policy perspective, it probably makes sense that you save a million but you sacrifice 40,000 people or something like that. But for me, I have to look and decide whether I might fit the very sort of mold that causes people to drop into that 40,000 bucket or the one million bucket. You have a simple choice. That you choose stupid is all on you.
August 16, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said: I’ll go for a vaccine that gets rid of 99.9% of cases, and I’ll overlook the experimental part. But it’s just common knowledge at this point that the vaccine is more like 80% effective, maybe because of different variants. I’m not interested in 80% chance of immunity and 1% of unknown side effects there's a lot more known side effects of COVID, and there's a much higher risk of unknown side effects long-term from COVID than from mRNA vaccines. mRNA isn't new. it's been studied for a long time with trials going back decades for things like cancer immunotherapy. there has never been a long-term side effect. https://www.nature.com/articles/nrd.2017.243 the science behind the mRNA vaccines is well established. we have a much better idea of the risk of long-term side effects of the mRNA vaccines than COVID. your risk assessment is out of whack.
August 16, 20214 yr Author 2 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: there's a lot more known side effects of COVID, and there's a much higher risk of unknown side effects long-term from COVID than from mRNA vaccines. mRNA isn't new. it's been studied for a long time with trials going back decades for things like cancer immunotherapy. there has never been a long-term side effect. https://www.nature.com/articles/nrd.2017.243 the science behind the mRNA vaccines is well established. we have a much better idea of the risk of long-term side effects of the mRNA vaccines than COVID. your risk assessment is out of whack. Europe’s looking into whether it causes kidney damage. They just started looking into this. That’s the problem with new drugs. You don’t know what you don’t know
August 16, 20214 yr 46 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said: I think I just hit on something on the last page. You guys are all fat aren’t you? So your risk of dying from Covid is higher, so of course you want everyone vaccinated Oooh, I've seen this movie before. It didn't end well last time if I remember correctly.
August 16, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said: Maybe. We don’t know that. They may be asymptomatic because they had natural immunity before the vaccine Also the numbers in your second point are still evolving And? Either way, it is an argument for the vaccine. It didn't hurt them that's for sure. Hey, but if you want to be an anti-vaccine wacko -- cool bro.
August 16, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said: Europe’s looking into whether it causes kidney damage. They just started looking into this. That’s the problem with new drugs. You don’t know what you don’t know you're obviously digging for every reason to justify your decision not to get the vaccine. good luck.
August 16, 20214 yr 11 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said: And you know from a policy perspective, it probably makes sense that you save a million but you sacrifice 40,000 people or something like that. But for me, I have to look and decide whether I might fit the very sort of mold that causes people to drop into that 40,000 bucket or the one million bucket. Why is it always the trumpbots that are the really stupid ones?
August 16, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said: Well that’s what you think, perhaps you are probably obese or something so the risks of Covid for you are great enough to warrant an experimental vaccine Why are you so fricking scared of a shot? Man up and stop being a pu ssy. OMG! Dude, it's a friggin needle. We get them constantly as kids at the pediatrician. I can't believe the bat crap crazy stuff you come up with to avoid what is just common sense. Fact: Not every person on ventilators due to Covid is obese. Co-morbidities are always bad. There are plenty of healthy young people who died or got really really sick. I'm actually not sure that you didn't get the shot in April and are now just trolling. Your excuse and bs don't make any sense. But I'm glad you have a PhD in epidemiology and vaccines.
August 16, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said: About 4000 So the vaccine was 99.4 percent effective. Pretty solid numbers there.
August 16, 20214 yr Author 1 minute ago, JohnSnowsHair said: you're obviously digging for every reason to justify your decision not to get the vaccine. good luck. Me and 100 million other Americans Just now, 20dawk4life said: So the vaccine was 99.4 percent affective. Pretty solid numbers there. Affective huh?
August 16, 20214 yr 12 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said: And you know from a policy perspective, it probably makes sense that you save a million but you sacrifice 40,000 people or something like that. But for me, I have to look and decide whether I might fit the very sort of mold that causes people to drop into that 40,000 bucket or the one million bucket. It's completely normal to be hesitant to take a vaccine that rushed through trials and production in less than a year in a politically charged environment, especially if you are in a healthy age/weight range and your chances of becoming seriously ill from Covid are minimal. CVON's just made up of a bunch of fat and/or old ishlibs living in an echochamber.
August 16, 20214 yr 6 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said: Europe’s looking into whether it causes kidney damage. They just started looking into this. That’s the problem with new drugs. You don’t know what you don’t know Did your research into the effect of drugs start before or after Trump-ism and how the right-wing made it political to be anti-science? People die from Tylenol too. Does that stop you from taking it?
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