Just now, Jsvand12 said:

I think they may end up having to make it a discount for vaxxed peoples insurance cost rather than charging antivaxxers more.That is how my employer gets around it for smokers. Nonsmokers get a credit on every paycheck.

I think they might wind up waiting on longer term results.

4 hours ago, Jsvand12 said:

I think they may end up having to make it a discount for vaxxed peoples insurance cost rather than charging antivaxxers more.That is how my employer gets around it for smokers. Nonsmokers get a credit on every paycheck.

See now my job has a smoker surcharge and I believe they pay an extra 600 bucks a year.

5 hours ago, lynched1 said:

Should be all over fat people with their elevated health cost projections.

Here come the lawsuits

I bet a bunch will try and none will have any success.

6 hours ago, lynched1 said:

Plenty in PA. Suck it.

Oh I know, is has huge pockets of your kind.

I still think, even if you are gay and want it sucked, Florida and Texas are more suited to your lifestyle.

3 hours ago, Toastrel said:

 

I still think

You fail to understand the concept

8 minutes ago, lynched1 said:

You fail to understand the concept

 

In Biden I Trust

I'm glad more people will get the shot, but it is a dangerous overstep that will leave the door open to other things we may not like down the road.

5 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

I'm glad more people will get the shot, but it is a dangerous overstep that will leave the door open to other things we may not like down the road.

Unfortunately we can only move as fast as our slowest runners.

2 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

Unfortunately we can only move as fast as our slowest runners.

Yeah. Again, glad more people will get it, but it's also never a good day when the door is open for oversteps. Some cheered Bush's orders while others were upset, then the sides flipped with Obama, and flipped again with Trump.

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

Yeah. Again, glad more people will get it, but it's also never a good day when the door is open for oversteps. Some cheered Bush's orders while others were upset, then the sides flipped with Obama, and flipped again with Trump.

The goverment mandating anything is never a particularly good thing. 

1 hour ago, Diehardfan said:

I'm glad more people will get the shot, but it is a dangerous overstep that will leave the door open to other things we may not like down the road.

How so?   There are tons of things that are mandated by government.   This door already exists.  Why do you think you don't have polio.

1 hour ago, Boogyman said:

The goverment mandating anything is never a particularly good thing. 

Ever think why you didn't die of small pox or polio?   

15 minutes ago, caesar said:

How so?   There are tons of things that are mandated by government.   This door already exists.  Why do you think you don't have polio.

Ever think why you didn't die of small pox or polio?   

Think about why? No. I know why. Vaccines. 

I was simply agreeing with the poster I quoted that goverment mandates are a slippery slope. I agree with these mandates 100 percent, I just wish they were not needed.

13 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

Think about why? No. I know why. Vaccines. 

I was simply agreeing with the poster I quoted that goverment mandates are a slippery slope. I agree with these mandates 100 percent, I just wish they were not needed.

Mandates schmandates.   We live in a society - not as individuals (as much as libertarians would have us believe otherwise).  Living in a society leads to responsibilities, including doing things not just for yourself.  Whether its paying taxes or buying auto insurance, etc.    No man is an island.  

If I was a dickTATE’r like Cheeto I would mandate facial reconstruction for all of your Rocky Dennis lookin’ like faces!

12 minutes ago, bobeph said:

If I was a dickTATE’r like Cheeto I would mandate facial reconstruction for all of your Rocky Dennis lookin’ like faces!

If you had a D it would be like a cheetoh. Shriveled, orange, lumpy and even Rocky Dennis could do better.

34 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

Think about why? No. I know why. Vaccines. 

I was simply agreeing with the poster I quoted that goverment mandates are a slippery slope. I agree with these mandates 100 percent, I just wish they were not needed.

I am 100% against the government mandating vaccines with threat of imprisonment, fines, etc.

But, the government is free to require vaccines to receive services from the government, like Medicaid/Medicare. Or to pass a TSA checkpoint. Or to require companies that have federal contracts to mandate it for employees (to be clear, in order to receive any new contracts going forward). 

There is no Constitutional Right to free stuff, government contracts, etc. 

21 minutes ago, caesar said:

Mandates schmandates.   We live in a society - not as individuals (as much as libertarians would have us believe otherwise).  Living in a society leads to responsibilities, including doing things not just for yourself.  Whether its paying taxes or buying auto insurance, etc.    No man is an island.  

I agree. I agree with the vaccine mandates. I also agree that the more of our life that is goverment mandated the easier it is to add more mandates. 

 

4 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I am 100% against the government mandating vaccines with threat of imprisonment, fines, etc.

But, the government is free to require vaccines to receive services from the government, like Medicaid/Medicare. Or to pass a TSA checkpoint. Or to require companies that have federal contracts to mandate it for employees (to be clear, in order to receive any new contracts going forward). 

There is no Constitutional Right to free stuff, government contracts, etc. 

There is precedent for it.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/09/08/vaccine-mandate-strong-supreme-court-precedent-510280

The year was 1904, and when his politically charged legal challenge to the $5 fine for failing to get vaccinated made its way to the Supreme Court, the justices had a surprise for Rev. Jacobson. One man’s liberty, they declared in a 7-2 ruling handed down the following February, cannot deprive his neighbors of their own liberty — in this case by allowing the spread of disease. Jacobson, they ruled, must abide by the order of the Cambridge board of health or pay the penalty.

1 minute ago, VanHammersly said:

There is precedent for it.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/09/08/vaccine-mandate-strong-supreme-court-precedent-510280

The year was 1904, and when his politically charged legal challenge to the $5 fine for failing to get vaccinated made its way to the Supreme Court, the justices had a surprise for Rev. Jacobson. One man’s liberty, they declared in a 7-2 ruling handed down the following February, cannot deprive his neighbors of their own liberty — in this case by allowing the spread of disease. Jacobson, they ruled, must abide by the order of the Cambridge board of health or pay the penalty.

I think that was an awful ruling, but such a mandate isn't needed. Tying it to government funding and services does the same thing without the Constitutional issues.

13 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I think that was an awful ruling, but such a mandate isn't needed. Tying it to government funding and services does the same thing without the Constitutional issues.

Maybe.  I'm still not sure you're reaching everyone you need to reach.  I do like that you added the TSA checkpoint requirement, which would help a lot, but I think in order for your solution to work, you need near complete buy-in from private industry, likely motivated by a mandate from insurance companies (both by tying individual medical insurance to compliance and insuring private businesses based on their employees compliance).

2 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

Maybe.  I'm still not sure you're reaching everyone you need to reach.  I do like that you added the TSA checkpoint requirement, which would help a lot, but I think in order for your solution to work, you need near complete buy-in from private industry, likely motivated by a mandate from insurance companies (both by tying individual medical insurance to compliance and insuring private businesses based on their employees compliance).

Insurance companies should be free to deny coverage to the unvaccinated.

1 hour ago, Toastrel said:

If you had a D it would be like a cheetoh. Shriveled, orange, lumpy and even Rocky Dennis could do better.

There is no way you could do better.  Pics or it didn’t happen.

 

 

boris becker!

Got the call from HR today telling me to prepare to lose one of my people over vaccine refusal.

4 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Got the call from HR today telling me to prepare to lose one of my people over vaccine refusal.

How do you feel about it?