August 24, 20232 yr Where's Hunt with his meme showing MAGAs eating everything the radical right wing media dreams up?
September 1, 20232 yr On 8/21/2023 at 12:23 PM, Procus said: https://www.theblaze.com/news/biden-may-declare-a-climate-emergency-to-further-the-green-new-deal-by-nondemocratic-means Biden may declare a 'national climate emergency' to further the Green New Deal by non-democratic means: 'Just like COVID' Has this happened yet? Who was president when the Covid-19 pandemic started? I’m just asking questions here…
September 1, 20232 yr 14 minutes ago, MidMoFo said: Has this happened yet? Who was president when the Covid-19 pandemic started? I’m just asking questions here… The Covid 19 crisis was badly handled by the Trump administration, and it happened under his watch. The draconian lockdowns never should have happened.
September 1, 20232 yr The lockdowns during the original strain saved lives. What wasn't known was whether mutations of the virus would follow similar paths as prior corona viruses of being more contagious but less deadly. The original strain of Covid was VERY deadly. Go back and look at reports from Italy, Spain, and NYC from April 2020. The current mutations of Covid are much less deadly, and our immune systems are much more conditioned to handled them. Stop acting like conditions of 2023 are the same as early 2020. They're not. This thing killed millions worldwide in a short period. I have no doubt lockdowns with that strain running around saved many lives. Possibly lives of people on this board.
September 17, 20232 yr On 8/31/2023 at 9:03 PM, JohnSnowsHair said: The lockdowns during the original strain saved lives. What wasn't known was whether mutations of the virus would follow similar paths as prior corona viruses of being more contagious but less deadly. The original strain of Covid was VERY deadly. Go back and look at reports from Italy, Spain, and NYC from April 2020. The current mutations of Covid are much less deadly, and our immune systems are much more conditioned to handled them. Stop acting like conditions of 2023 are the same as early 2020. They're not. This thing killed millions worldwide in a short period. I have no doubt lockdowns with that strain running around saved many lives. Possibly lives of people on this board. Actually a 2.9% death rate is far from very deadly.
September 17, 20232 yr 5 minutes ago, Procus said: Boy, this was really bothering you a LOT Whatever helps you cope, go with that, Slappy. You need all the imaginary wins you can think up.
September 17, 20232 yr 15 minutes ago, BBE said: Actually a 2.9% death rate is far from very deadly. 1 in 30 people dying from a disease isn't "very deadly" to you? Most diseases that are easily communicable do not kill 1 in 30 who contract it.
September 17, 20232 yr 7 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: 1 in 30 people dying from a disease isn't "very deadly" to you? Most diseases that are easily communicable do not kill 1 in 30 who contract it. 2.9% puts it below the swine flu. You are being overly dramatic. You are playing COVID to be on the level of Ebola.
September 17, 20232 yr 3 minutes ago, BBE said: 2.9% puts it below the swine flu. You are being overly dramatic. You are playing COVID to be on the level of Ebola. Is this the current argument for floating around the "Covid wasn't a big deal" consprirosphere? The most aggressive estimates put worldwide deaths to swine flu around 500k. There were over a million Covid deaths just in the US alone, and that million mark is significantly lower than excess deaths suggesting the actual death toll to Covid was much much higher. The reason is that Covid has a reproduction index twice as high as swine flu. This R0 number is exponential; it means every person who gets Covid on average passes it on to 3 other people whole swine flu is closer to 1.5. This makes a HUGE difference and dwarfs the actual morbidity rate difference between the viruses. On an individual basis you may be more likely to survive Covid, but among any population where both viruses are running through Covid will kill more because it's much more contagious. Suggesting swine flu was worse on the basis of morbidity alone is stupid.
September 17, 20232 yr The R0 number is not exponential. If R0 is greater than 1 it is termed "exponential" because of greater than a 1 to 1 ratio of transmissions to infections. Thus both the swine flu and COVID had "exponential" R0 values. Also the R0 value for COvid is still being debated and is a function of the model used and has a very high standard deviation which is problematic. IFR is the true measure of how deadly a virus is as it is the ratio of fatalities to infections.
September 17, 20232 yr R0 isn't exponential long term but it is short term. The point is that Covid is much more contagious. So despite being less deadly on an individual case basis, unleashed upon a population early Covid was more deadly .. assuming your definition of more deadly is more deaths.
September 17, 20232 yr 11 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: R0 isn't exponential long term but it is short term. The point is that Covid is much more contagious. So despite being less deadly on an individual case basis, unleashed upon a population early Covid was more deadly .. assuming your definition of more deadly is more deaths. No, R0 is not exponential early. And R0 for covid has been reported as low as 0.9 to as high as 6 with over 50% standard deviations which means the measure is inherently flawed to determine gross mortality. R0 is used to calculate the hern immunity rate to limit theoretical spread.
September 18, 20232 yr 5 hours ago, BBE said: Actually a 2.9% death rate is far from very deadly. Death rate is only part of the equation. If measles (which has an R0 of 18) had a CFR of 2.9%, we'd be looking at some pretty awful carnage. Conversely, rabies with a CFR of ~99%, is orders of magnitude less transmissible, and thus never came close to pandemic potential like smallpox or plague. You're torturing an argument of lethality to fit your agenda. Clearly he was speaking of how lethal the virus was to society collectively, not individually. To an infected individual, something like nipah virus is extremely lethal. To a society, it's an after thought. The vast majority of people have never even heard of it. However, as we've seen, to a society, covid is far more lethal than nipah virus, and there's a reason why almost every human on the plant now knows what a sars coronavirus is.
September 18, 20232 yr On 8/31/2023 at 9:24 PM, MidMoFo said: Has this happened yet? Who was president when the Covid-19 pandemic started? I’m just asking questions here… For 8 months. Biden then milked that **** out for over two years and is trying to breath life into that corpse again. F him. You too if you think we're going there again.
September 18, 20232 yr 15 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Death rate is only part of the equation. If measles (which has an R0 of 18) had a CFR of 2.9%, we'd be looking at some pretty awful carnage. Conversely, rabies with a CFR of ~99%, is orders of magnitude less transmissible, and thus never came close to pandemic potential like smallpox or plague. You're torturing an argument of lethality to fit your agenda. Clearly he was speaking of how lethal the virus was to society collectively, not individually. To an infected individual, something like nipah virus is extremely lethal. To a society, it's an after thought. The vast majority of people have never even heard of it. However, as we've seen, to a society, covid is far more lethal than nipah virus, and there's a reason why almost every human on the plant now knows what a sars coronavirus is. I am not torturing any argument other than to say that he overstated very deadly which it was not. Further, the R0 for COVID has been anything but determined given the wide spread of values with ridiculously large standard deviation in the literature.
September 18, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, BBE said: I am not torturing any argument other than to say that he overstated very deadly which it was not. Again, your framing of what's "deadly" is strictly limited to the individual when he clearly was referring to it in regards to the population as a whole. It's killed more people in a year than any other virus in over a century. That's not an overstatement, it's cold, hard, reality, regardless of how much we wish it weren't true. Quote Further, the R0 for COVID has been anything but determined given the wide spread of values with ridiculously large standard deviation in the literature. Where exactly in my post did I say it was determined?
September 18, 20232 yr Sure COVID’s pretty dangerous but it’s not as deadly as stepping foot into a US city. That has at least a 98% death rate.
September 18, 20232 yr 14 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Again, your framing of what's "deadly" is strictly limited to the individual when he clearly was referring to it in regards to the population as a whole. It's killed more people in a year than any other virus in over a century. That's not an overstatement, it's cold, hard, reality, regardless of how much we wish it weren't true. Where exactly in my post did I say it was determined? The Spanish flu from 1918 to 1919 or is 104 to 105 years not over a century was nearly an order of magnitude over the total historical deaths of 6.9 million. And that was without the speed of and amount of world travel. More recently HIV killed 2 million in 2004 and 630,000 in 2022. So, pardon my questioning the labeling of COVID as very deadly.
September 18, 20232 yr Author 12 minutes ago, BBE said: The Spanish flu from 1918 to 1919 or is 104 to 105 years not over a century was nearly an order of magnitude over the total historical deaths of 6.9 million. And that was without the speed of and amount of world travel. More recently HIV killed 2 million in 2004 and 630,000 in 2022. So, pardon my questioning the labeling of COVID as very deadly. Comparing a sexually transmitted disease to one that gets transmitted through breathing. That’s rich! Do yourself a favor and stop posting.
September 18, 20232 yr 10 minutes ago, barho said: Comparing a sexually transmitted disease to one that gets transmitted through breathing. That’s rich! Do yourself a favor and stop posting. You are such a useful idiot. Did he not say "any other virus". Maybe take your own advice.
September 18, 20232 yr 9 hours ago, BBE said: The Spanish flu from 1918 to 1919 or is 104 to 105 years not over a century was nearly an order of magnitude over the total historical deaths of 6.9 million. And that was without the speed of and amount of world travel. WTF? Do you wanna give this one another shot, but this time in English? Or is this another calendar / math thing with you guys? Quote More recently HIV killed 2 million in 2004 and 630,000 in 2022. So, pardon my questioning the labeling of COVID as very deadly. Wait, you think covid killed less than 2M people in 2021? Is that what you're saying here? Setting aside that the original context of the discussion was our handling of it domestically when he referred to the impact of lockdowns, is your next step going to question the validity of reported death counts to the WHO? They died with covid, not from covid, amirite trumpbot?
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