I wouldn't care if they dumped Whiteside, guy showed close to nothing last year

41 minutes ago, devpool said:

I wouldn't care if they dumped Whiteside, guy showed close to nothing last year

That is very true he didn't show much last year but they aren't going to give up on a second round pick after just 1 season. They have a new WR coach who can hopefully coach him up and they will hope year 2 he can improve.

Ward is the new Hollins, a guy who's massively overrated by the fanbase because he caught a couple of balls against the horrible defenses we faced down the stretch, he's going to be competing with Hightower and Watkins to even make the roster. 

If Jeffery is anywhere near fit he's a lock to make the roster as he'd still be easily in the top 3 receivers on the team and I expect us to carry 6.

 

17 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Ward is the new Hollins, a guy who's massively overrated by the fanbase because he caught a couple of balls against the horrible defenses we faced down the stretch, he's going to be competing with Hightower and Watkins to even make the roster. 

Ward did more than catch a couple of passes to be fair. He showed that he can be a fine and reliable slot WR. Mix in the other options in the slot and I think we're good there. 

jjaw and alshonn cut and ir...really want to see watkins and hightower in the roster and playing

1 minute ago, iMrBeee said:

jjaw and alshonn cut and ir...really want to see watkins and hightower in the roster and playing

Alshon may be on IR or cut or traded. JJAW is going to be on this roster though there is almost no chance he isn't.

29 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Ward is the new Hollins, a guy who's massively overrated by the fanbase because he caught a couple of balls against the horrible defenses we faced down the stretch, he's going to be competing with Hightower and Watkins to even make the roster. 

If Jeffery is anywhere near fit he's a lock to make the roster as he'd still be easily in the top 3 receivers on the team and I expect us to carry 6.

 

It still baffles me why everybody wants to run Alshon out of town.

Injury wise he was projected to be back at the start of the season. Sure it might take a little longer (recovery time varies), but he may well be healthy early in the season.

Of the other receivers- DJax is the Z and injury prone. JJAW has shown nothing yet. Ward played well, but looks to have a limited ceiling. High hopes for Reagor, but he’s a rookie with likely an aborted off-season. The other rookies and Goodwin are all very much flyers, shouldn’t expect anything from them.

Unless JJAW dramatically improves, we want Alshon playing as soon as he can. He’s also pretty much our only legitimate WR red zone target.

14 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

It still baffles me why everybody wants to run Alshon out of town.

Because it's about the future? And Alshon isn't going to be here beyond this next season so I would personally rather see what the young guys have and build with Wentz. 

8 hours ago, Saltpeter said:

I see Hightower and Watkins flaming out. Every report I've read on Hightower says he can't track or catch the ball effectively. No thanks. Watkins seems like a practice squad guy (so he'll be starting by week 10).

DeSean, Reagor, Goodwin (his experience is vital considering a shortened offseason), Ward, JJAW. Alshon on the PUP.

Saw plenty of examples of Hightower hand catching passes and tracking the deep ball at BSU. Kid has natural athleticism that can’t be coached up. He’s making the team. 

2 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Because it's about the future? And Alshon isn't going to be here beyond this next season so I would personally rather see what the young guys have and build with Wentz. 

Alshon may not be here after this season, but if he’s healthy we need him to play bud.

We are both big Reagor fans and he will get every opportunity to play. But he will be Z/slot.

I know you love Carson. Do you really want him taking unnecessary hits while he watches a rookie 6th rounder get jammed at the line or run the wrong route?

13 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

Alshon may not be here after this season, but if he’s healthy we need him to play bud.

We are both big Reagor fans and he will get every opportunity to play. But he will be Z/slot.

I know you love Carson. Do you really want him taking unnecessary hits while he watches a rookie 6th rounder get jammed at the line or run the wrong route?

I disagree. Given how many young receivers we have added they should be the focus of this coming year. Let them develop with Wentz.

4 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said:

It still baffles me why everybody wants to run Alshon out of town.

Injury wise he was projected to be back at the start of the season. Sure it might take a little longer (recovery time varies), but he may well be healthy early in the season.

Of the other receivers- DJax is the Z and injury prone. JJAW has shown nothing yet. Ward played well, but looks to have a limited ceiling. High hopes for Reagor, but he’s a rookie with likely an aborted off-season. The other rookies and Goodwin are all very much flyers, shouldn’t expect anything from them.

Unless JJAW dramatically improves, we want Alshon playing as soon as he can. He’s also pretty much our only legitimate WR red zone target.

Its more for youth than any thing else... At this point, people would want to run DJax out of town if there wasn't a sentimental connection.  His speed has suddenly become redundant, but we need one veteran guy to mentor the youth, and its Desean we are talking about lol. Also, Alshon's albatross of a salary isnt doing him any favors

8 hours ago, devpool said:

I wouldn't care if they dumped Whiteside, guy showed close to nothing last year

Has a team ever cut a second round pick after 1 year? lol

51 minutes ago, QBhunter58 said:

Its more for youth than any thing else... At this point, people would want to run DJax out of town if there wasn't a sentimental connection.  His speed has suddenly become redundant, but we need one veteran guy to mentor the youth, and its Desean we are talking about lol. Also, Alshon's albatross of a salary isnt doing him any favors

Well there is sentiment, but ultimately Alshon helped win us a Super Bowl, but he doesn’t get any credit for that. Or playing hurt while DeSean was electing not to get the surgery he needed.

But ultimately both DeSean and Alshon are established receivers and even when playing hurt last year - they were productive.

Desean is one of the greatest deep threat receivers of all time. There are plenty of really fast receivers in this league who are useless - can’t get separation, beat press or track the ball.

There are plenty of receivers like Alshon who can’t get open or box out corners.

I have every hope for Reagor - think he will be a really good player. JJAW, Goodwin and the two late rounders are all long shots to be anything more than role players.

Who knows what off-season we will have, but I do know that if DeSean and Alshon are healthy, as established and productive WRs - they should be out there until the rooks can beat them out on merit.

If Goodwin is healthy and stays healthy thru camp and preseason, he makes the roster.

Jackson

Goodwin

Reagor

JJAW

Watkins

Hightower

Jeffrey is released after june 1.  That's when his dead money becomes palatable.  But if Watkins and Hightower impress, Ward is gone.

Maybe they keep 3 RBs and go with 7 WRs since Reagor, Hurts and Ward have some versatility....In which case, Ward makes it as #7

22 hours ago, NOTW said:

Caplan has no idea what the Eagles coaches think, and they will make decisions after seeing them in camp and preseason.

I'm just being a nice guy and passing along what he said. If you don't value his opinion, don't read my post.

12 hours ago, birdman#12 said:

Jeffrey is released after june 1.  That's when his dead money becomes palatable.

Unless Jeffery is a huge locker room cancer, which some have suggested, they may as well keep him. If he can come back at some point and be decently healthy, he can not only help the team down the stretch, but he also might have some trade value, as his cap hit for next year is not too bad for another team.

19 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I disagree. Given how many young receivers we have added they should be the focus of this coming year. Let them develop with Wentz.

I'm not sure both Doug and Howie survive another sub .600 season 'developing receivers', as I've said in draft discussions if Reagor goes for like 500 yards and Jefferson, Aiyuk or Higgins goes off for a 1000yard season Howie is going to be on a piping hot seat or throwing Doug under Lurie's bus, as it stands now the only receivers you know can give you 800yards plus if they're healthy are Jackson and Jeffery, they're also massive cap hits, both will and should make the 53.

 

1 minute ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

I'm not sure both Doug and Howie survive another sub .600 season 'developing receivers', as I've said in draft discussions if Reagor goes for like 500 yards and Jefferson, Aiyuk or Higgins goes off for a 1000yard season Howie is going to be on a piping hot seat or throwing Doug under Lurie's bus, as it stands now the only receivers you know can give you 800yards plus if they're healthy are Jackson and Jeffery, they're also massive cap hits, both will and should make the 53.

 

I think they would. That Super Bowl victory, right or wrong, buys them time that other coaches simply don't get. They have just brought in 4 new receivers and it will take time for them to develop them. Lots of GMs and coaches will get some leeway this year due to the extraordinary circumstances right now. 

17 hours ago, birdman#12 said:

If Goodwin is healthy and stays healthy thru camp and preseason, he makes the roster.

Jackson

Goodwin

Reagor

JJAW

Watkins

Hightower

Jeffrey is released after june 1.  That's when his dead money becomes palatable.  But if Watkins and Hightower impress, Ward is gone.

Maybe they keep 3 RBs and go with 7 WRs since Reagor, Hurts and Ward have some versatility....In which case, Ward makes it as #7

They could have already cut Jeffery with a post June designation. Same cap hit.

Now they could trade him, but I’m not sure who would take on an injured player with that cap hit.

The Jeffery hate (not saying you are one of them), drives me crazy.

He is one of our only good established receivers on this team and people want to run him out of town so that we can play late round flyers or an injury prone veteran who has only once in a seven year career put up 500 yards.

22 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

The Jeffery hate (not saying you are one of them), drives me crazy.

He is one of our only good established receivers on this team and people want to run him out of town so that we can play late round flyers or an injury prone veteran who has only once in a seven year career put up 500 yards.

I don't think it comes down to hate though anymore. This team is not going to contend in 2020, Howie has basically admitted that. They are building for the future and so it is more about giving those rookies the opportunity to see what they have. Ultimately Desean would fall in to this group but I think actually he can help bring along those rookies and also he is healthy whereas we don't know when Alshon will be.

8 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I don't think it comes down to hate though anymore. This team is not going to contend in 2020, Howie has basically admitted that. They are building for the future and so it is more about giving those rookies the opportunity to see what they have. Ultimately Desean would fall in to this group but I think actually he can help bring along those rookies and also he is healthy whereas we don't know when Alshon will be.

Why can’t we contend?

People said we had no chance in 2017.

The O is loaded. WR is still a question mark, but we have a lot more than we had last year.

Schwartz always has the D competitive and he finally has a legitimate #1 CB.

We just finally need a bit of luck with injuries, but I’m not wasting another prime year of Wentz, Cox and Graham by throwing out some scrub 6th round WR when we have a legitimate starting receiver on the roster.

12 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

Why can’t we contend?

People said we had no chance in 2017.

Too many changes both in terms of the players and the coaches. 

Sure we could find that actually we can contend because in 2017 that came out of nowhere but the team aren't preparing to win in 2020.

This O is hardly loaded when the WR position is still a major question mark. We have more than we had last year absolutely but who knows which of these moves will work out.

Alshon is a net negative, between being brittle and slow, he's also a snitch and locker-room cancer as well. Bye Felice him.

37 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Too many changes both in terms of the players and the coaches. 

Sure we could find that actually we can contend because in 2017 that came out of nowhere but the team aren't preparing to win in 2020.

This O is hardly loaded when the WR position is still a major question mark. We have more than we had last year absolutely but who knows which of these moves will work out.

There were changes in 2017 as well. How many of the Super Bowl starters were on the team the year before.

Some coaching changes - yes, but it’s still Doug’s offense and Schwartz’s D.

There are question marks at WR sure. But we have lots of talent and speed there. We also have the best 2 TEs in the league and three good pass catching RBs.

This team can absolutely contend this year. If Alshon is healthy and our best option - he should be out there.