October 14, 20214 yr 8 hours ago, Jsvand12 said: I’d be happy for both to be honest. I don’t hate Doug. Just think he’s a bad coach and overmatched. Maybe he’ll prove me wrong. I still like Wentz as well. He’s actually been very good/great the last two weeks. Same.
October 14, 20214 yr 13 hours ago, downundermike said: What would be worse, Doug wins Super Bowl with Raiders or Wentz does it with Colts ?? The second one has no chance of happening. I would love to see Doug win another one. I agree with Toaster. He got screwed.
October 14, 20214 yr 15 hours ago, Toastrel said: I recall fondly how on the previous EMB I was banned for making fun of a racist.
October 14, 20214 yr 15 hours ago, Toastrel said: I recall fondly how on the previous EMB I was banned for making fun of a racist. Yeah, so does everyone else.
October 14, 20214 yr 5 minutes ago, mikemack8 said: I'm so glad you and Kz! both don't care, and then waste time quoting and reach arounding each other over the subject, you don't care about. So cute!
October 14, 20214 yr Just now, Toastrel said: I'm so glad you and Kz! both don't care, and then waste time quoting and reach arounding each other over the subject, you don't care about. So cute!
October 14, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, mikemack8 said: You have that blank, stupid expression on your face often enough that people ask about it.
October 14, 20214 yr 8 minutes ago, Toastrel said: I'm so glad you and Kz! both don't care, and then waste time quoting and reach arounding each other over the subject, you don't care about. So cute! Toaster's dementia has progressed into the making-up-words stage. You really hate to see it.
October 14, 20214 yr If we went back 10-15-20 years, everybody could find some comment, email, or private conversation that said something offensive about another group/race/gender. It's a natural human fault, when angry, to comment on the most obvious trait of the person we're angry with.... But outside of the political identity politics, the vast majority of us have evolved in our thinking and opinions. Whether it's thru personal experience, or taking your head out of the sand, or simply just meeting and talking with people different from us, we change our opinions about others. It's a slow process but it can evolve into a more empathetic opinion. People who say they never have ever said anything racist/homophobic/misogynistic are most likely overlooking the less offensive characterizations they use when angry or frustrated. I've been called so many offensive things in my life for all kinds of things, I struggle to understand how people get so upset when they hear something that wasn't even directed at them. I've never been defined by those comments or considered them to be a broad condemnation of everybody in my group/race/faith..etc..... What Gruden's opinion truly are, I really don't care. They're his issues. What really bothers me is that private emails from 10 years ago being leaked during an open investigation. We all should be concerned about that. That something someone did so long ago can ruin a career. We seem to be very selective in who that happens to....
October 14, 20214 yr 10 minutes ago, birdman#12 said: If we went back 10-15-20 years, everybody could find some comment, email, or private conversation that said something offensive about another group/race/gender. It's a natural human fault, when angry, to comment on the most obvious trait of the person we're angry with.... But outside of the political identity politics, the vast majority of us have evolved in our thinking and opinions. Whether it's thru personal experience, or taking your head out of the sand, or simply just meeting and talking with people different from us, we change our opinions about others. It's a slow process but it can evolve into a more empathetic opinion. People who say they never have ever said anything racist/homophobic/misogynistic are most likely overlooking the less offensive characterizations they use when angry or frustrated. I've been called so many offensive things in my life for all kinds of things, I struggle to understand how people get so upset when they hear something that wasn't even directed at them. I've never been defined by those comments or considered them to be a broad condemnation of everybody in my group/race/faith..etc..... What Gruden's opinion truly are, I really don't care. They're his issues. What really bothers me is that private emails from 10 years ago being leaked during an open investigation. We all should be concerned about that. That something someone did so long ago can ruin a career. We seem to be very selective in who that happens to.... Once again, the emails spanned from 2011 to 2018, and need I remind you, Jon Gruden was 48 years old in 2011. Not exactly some dumb kid still needing to grow up. How much time does one need to evolve in your view?
October 14, 20214 yr 6 minutes ago, birdman#12 said: If we went back 10-15-20 years, everybody could find some comment, email, or private conversation that said something offensive about another group/race/gender. Do you send out racist emails on your work computer? Nude pics? Do you talk about the bodies of women in the office in company chat? This is universally stupid, bad behavior. I don't do this. The people I work with don't do this. The clients our company works with very rarely have issues with this sort of thing. A 1 in 5 years over hundreds of thousands of people.
October 14, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said: Once again, the emails spanned from 2011 to 2018, and need I remind you, Jon Gruden was 48 years old in 2011. Not exactly some dumb kid still needing to grow up. How much time does one need to evolve in your view? It's still F'd up that someone released his private emails that were unrelated to the actual serious investigation they were pursuing.
October 14, 20214 yr 18 minutes ago, birdman#12 said: What really bothers me is that private emails from 10 years ago being leaked during an open investigation. We all should be concerned about that. 8 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Once again, the emails spanned from 2011 to 2018, and need I remind you, Jon Gruden was 48 years old in 2011. Not exactly some dumb kid still needing to grow up. How much time does one need to evolve in your view? And those emails were sent to Bruce Allen's nfl.com email account.
October 14, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, VanHammersly said: It's still F'd up that someone released his private emails that were unrelated to the actual serious investigation they were pursuing. Yes, it is F'ed up. However, not as F'ed up as being dumb enough to send that crap on or to, company owned email servers.
October 14, 20214 yr Just now, VanHammersly said: It's still F'd up that someone released his private emails that were unrelated to the actual serious investigation they were pursuing. Agreed. Sounds like someone has it out for him. He probably made quite a few enemies along the way. All the more reason why he needed to be more careful. Similar to Sterling's gf diming him out with that phone recording.
October 14, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: It's still F'd up that someone released his private emails that were unrelated to the actual serious investigation they were pursuing. As I already said 3 minutes ago, downundermike said: And those emails were sent to Bruce Allen's nfl.com email account.
October 14, 20214 yr Private has a meaning. Company email ain't private. Lots of places, can actually go back through every email you deleted. Ever.
October 14, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, Toastrel said: Yes, it is F'ed up. However, not as F'ed up as being dumb enough to send that crap on or to, company owned email servers. I disagree. Sending the emails is stupid, but releasing people's private correspondence during an unrelated investigation is worse. It's not as if Gruden's in public service here. No one needed to know this information.
October 14, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, VanHammersly said: I disagree. Sending the emails is stupid, but releasing people's private correspondence during an unrelated investigation is worse. It's not as if Gruden's in public service here. No one needed to know this information. Somebody in Washington hates Gruden enough to risk this. The list of people with this sort of access can't be that long.
October 14, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: I disagree. Sending the emails is stupid, but releasing people's private correspondence during an unrelated investigation is worse. It's not as if Gruden's in public service here. No one needed to know this information. Releasing/leaking the emails was wrong, especially since he wasn't the subject of the investigation. Either the NFL leaked it because he insulted Goodell, or the Raiders did to get out of a terrible contract. My bet is on the former -- we know Goodell is that petty and small. But once they were public, the Raiders had to respond. I still can't believe that an investigation into the WFT has managed to take down Gruden and Schefter, but Danny boy is still skating by unharmed. And yes, emails sent to a work email address are technically property of the company that owns the domain. But that still isn't justification for releasing them.
October 14, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Agreed. Sounds like someone has it out for him. He probably made quite a few enemies along the way. All the more reason why he needed to be more careful. Similar to Sterling's gf diming him out with that phone recording. Sterling's a bit different though. I was actually living in LA at the time and had become a bit of a Clippers fan. Everyone was ecstatic that he was gone, which is kind of neither here nor there, but more importantly, that was his girlfriend, not an investigator. You lose a lot of credibility when you start straying from your objective in a supposedly legitimate investigation. Think Benghazi switching gears to Hilary's emails or Ken Star pivoting to Clinton's sexual exploits when they were investigating real estate ventures.
October 14, 20214 yr Just now, VanHammersly said: Sterling's a bit different though. I was actually living in LA at the time and had become a bit of a Clippers fan. Everyone was ecstatic that he was gone, which is kind of neither here nor there, but more importantly, that was his girlfriend, not an investigator. You lose a lot of credibility when you start straying from your objective in a supposedly legitimate investigation. Think Benghazi switching gears to Hilary's emails or Ken Star pivoting to Clinton's sexual exploits when they were investigating real estate ventures. We don't actually know it was an investigator though. It easily could've been someone within WFT too. But agreed that if it actually was someone affiliated with the NFL, especially if it was Goodell himself, then yeah it comes off as unprofessional and super petty.
October 14, 20214 yr 12 minutes ago, Toastrel said: Private has a meaning. Company email ain't private. Lots of places, can actually go back through every email you deleted. Ever. Also, there are people that will try to bait a worker into saying something incriminating. I've seen people try to do that with bad employees to get them fired. (Can anyone dig up Howie's emails please?!) People need to be responsible for what they put in writing. You would think public figures would even be more aware, they have people in marketing & public relations to coach them, rookie players get coached on dealing with the media.
October 14, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, NOTW said: Also, there are people that will try to bait a worker into saying something incriminating. I've seen people try to do that with bad employees to get them fired. (Can anyone dig up Howie's emails please?!) People need to be responsible for what they put in writing. You would think public figures would even be more aware, they have people in marketing & public relations to coach them, rookie players get coached on dealing with the media.
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