4 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said:

Were there passengers on board? The Police lied about it. 

Yes there were several on board. A couple that recorded. 

14 minutes ago, binkybink77 said:

Well Moss hasn’t lived around here in probably 20+ years so his opinion doesn’t hold much weight.

Was that qualifier really necessary? 

11 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said:

Yes there were several on board. A couple that recorded. 

Ok. so then what did the Police Lie about? 

11 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Was that qualifier really necessary? 

 Probably not - he uses it on Dr Philly a lot so I’m just trying to apply the standard fairly  

5 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said:

Ok. so then what did the Police Lie about? 

Nothing really. People are just beeching  to beech cause cops bad.

the DA said "no one filmed it for their own gratification instead of stopping the rape” as well as "People get off and on at every single stop," Stollsteimer said. "That doesn't mean when they get on and they see people interacting that they know a rape is occurring.” 

 

so people were coming and going so they could have not noticed a scuffle and rape occurring on the same train, but we know people filmed it because they gave it to police. 

14 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said:

Nothing really. People are just beeching  to beech cause cops bad.

the DA said "no one filmed it for their own gratification instead of stopping the rape” as well as "People get off and on at every single stop," Stollsteimer said. "That doesn't mean when they get on and they see people interacting that they know a rape is occurring.” 

 

so people were coming and going so they could have not noticed a scuffle and rape occurring on the same train, but we know people filmed it because they gave it to police. 

This is my interpretation too. It’s really the same set of facts being reported just spun different ways - one way makes it sound worse than another way - and the DA does have motive to be kinder as they need witnesses to not be afraid to come forward. At the end of the day no one intervened to stop the attack and it was filmed - who knows if the motive was for gratification, to post on social media, or for evidence - you would hope the latter. 

1 hour ago, jsdarkstar said:

Were there passengers on board? The Police lied about it. 

Yes, there were passengers on board.  And someone did get it on video.  

47 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said:

Ok. so then what did the Police Lie about? 

Isn't that a question for the people claiming that the police lied?   

2 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

Isn't that a question for the people claiming that the police lied?   

To start the police lied about no one calling the cops.

5 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

To start the police lied about no one calling the cops.

Where did you get information that people called the police? I can’t find it. And every piece I’ve read on this saying that the police lied is very anti-police but doesn’t report anything concrete that contradicts what was reported by them. The only thing I’ve seen regarding informing police is vague - saying that of two riders that recorded the attack one of the riders "tipped police and was filming it to provide evidence” - that doesn’t necessarily mean they used their phone or any emergency phones to call the police while the attack was taking place. They certainly didn’t intervene to stop it. 

https://www.npr.org/2021/10/22/1048362202/septa-train-passengers-recorded-rape-without-calling-false-prosecutor

SEPTA Police Chief Thomas J. Nestel III's best estimate was there were about 10 passengers in the close vicinity of Ngoy and the woman during the rape, which started about 9:52 p.m. and ended when SEPTA police pulled Ngoy off of the woman about 10 p.m., authority spokesman Andrew Busch said Wednesday.

An off-duty SEPTA employee was one of those 10 people. That employee alerted SEPTA police because he believed something wasn't right with the interaction, Busch said. He praised the employee's actions, saying he likely prevented Ngoy from being able to walk off the train and escape arrest.

Three minutes after the employee reported the assault, SEPTA officers stationed at the 69th Street terminal responded to the train car and stopped it.

1 minute ago, mr_hunt said:

https://www.npr.org/2021/10/22/1048362202/septa-train-passengers-recorded-rape-without-calling-false-prosecutor

SEPTA Police Chief Thomas J. Nestel III's best estimate was there were about 10 passengers in the close vicinity of Ngoy and the woman during the rape, which started about 9:52 p.m. and ended when SEPTA police pulled Ngoy off of the woman about 10 p.m., authority spokesman Andrew Busch said Wednesday.

An off-duty SEPTA employee was one of those 10 people. That employee alerted SEPTA police because he believed something wasn't right with the interaction, Busch said. He praised the employee's actions, saying he likely prevented Ngoy from being able to walk off the train and escape arrest.

Three minutes after the employee reported the assault, SEPTA officers stationed at the 69th Street terminal responded to the train car and stopped it.

Was the Septa employee the one who reported it and recorded it?

There was never any dispute that a SEPTA employee was the one who reported it 

23 minutes ago, binkybink77 said:

Where did you get information that people called the police? I can’t find it. And every piece I’ve read on this saying that the police lied is very anti-police but doesn’t report anything concrete that contradicts what was reported by them. The only thing I’ve seen regarding informing police is vague - saying that of two riders that recorded the attack one of the riders "tipped police and was filming it to provide evidence” - that doesn’t necessarily mean they used their phone or any emergency phones to call the police while the attack was taking place. They certainly didn’t intervene to stop it. 

I thought that’s what I had read, but this is all I see reading through an article about it - that someone tipped off SEPTA (which is obviously not the same as calling the police)

 

 

 

1 minute ago, Dave Moss said:

I thought that’s what I had read, but this is all I see reading through an article about it:

 

 

 

This is the problem - you now have all these opinion pieces floating around that label the cops as big fat liars but I can’t find anything concrete that really disputes what was initially reported by them - perhaps they jumped the gun on their admonishment, maybe they flat out lied - but there isn’t much to go on other than the DA claiming their assessment wasn’t true. Without more to go on it’s very much he said he said - with a DA trying to make sure potential witnesses aren’t afraid to come forward due to fear of reprisal. 

58 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

To start the police lied about no one calling the cops.

Do you have proof to back that up?  Filming it and giving it to police after the fact as evidence isn’t the same as alerting the authorities while it’s happening in order to attempt to stop it.

Did anyone call 911 while it was happening?  Nope.

Did anyone hit the emergency call button that is on EVERY septa car?  Nope.

 

1 minute ago, Phillyterp85 said:

Do you have proof to back that up?  Filming it and giving it to police after the fact as evidence isn’t the same as alerting the authorities while it’s happening in order to attempt to stop it.

Did anyone call 911 while it was happening?  Nope.

Did anyone hit the emergency call button that is on EVERY septa car?  Nope.

 

Not even the off duty Septa employee in the car.

https://www.inquirer.com/news/fiston-ngoy-septa-rape-preliminary-hearing-market-frankford-20211129.html

The man accused of raping a woman on a SEPTA subway train in full view of passengers was ordered Monday to stand trial after the woman testified that she had been drinking and "blacked out” on the night of the alleged attack.

Fiston Ngoy, 35, faces charges of rape, sexual assault, and related offenses. Prosecutors say he attacked the woman on Oct. 13 in a crime that drew international attention after law enforcement officials initially said bystanders stood by and did not intervene. Authorities later said that passengers likely did not realize what was happening and that one, on off-duty SEPTA employee, called 911.

During Monday’s hearing in a Lansdowne courtroom, the woman said she was intoxicated and remembered little about the assault.

"He kept pushing himself on me,” she told Magisterial District Judge Harry J. Karapalides. "I was out of it. ... I came to with people standing over me.”

On 10/27/2021 at 12:09 PM, Phillyterp85 said:

 

Did anyone call 911 while it was happening?  Nope.

 

 

5 hours ago, mr_hunt said:

https://www.inquirer.com/news/fiston-ngoy-septa-rape-preliminary-hearing-market-frankford-20211129.html

Authorities later said that passengers likely did not realize what was happening and that one, on off-duty SEPTA employee, called 911.

 

If I had a lady friend who was completely wasted no way I’d let her take a train out to Upper Darby by herself.  Smh

3 hours ago, Dave Moss said:

If I had a lady friend who was completely wasted no way I’d let her take a train out to Upper Darby by herself.  Smh

What are you gonna do, hit him with an ill-timed LOL emoji? 

6 hours ago, Outlaw said:

What are you gonna do, hit him with an ill-timed LOL emoji? 

My LOL emojis are perfectly timed my man