4 hours ago, Philthy Jawn said:

My question is this: albeit with such a limited sample size, do you believe that the drafting of Devonta Smith addresses this mistake?  Or, should the Eagles consider another wide receiver?  Yes, I know this is super preliminary, but do we have a feel yet for the quality of wide receivers in the 2022 draft?  

Smith is legit. He's going to be a long term #1 for this team no doubt he's that damn good. He's so smooth, he's dynamic, he's good with the ball in his hands, he goes up after the ball. He's had a really good year especially for a rookie and especially given the QB and this offense have at times really struggled. 

The issue isn't Smith. The issue is Howie drafted Reagor and JJAW, a first and a second round pick in recent years and both are busts. Reagor can't even be a solid #3 it seems and JJAW had his first target and catch on Sunday!

They need to add a complimentary WR to play opposite Smith. Personally I'd go with one of the very good FAs that may hit the market but if not just go draft someone. Yes that's another high draft pick on a WR but it can't be ignored that it is a need.

1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Smith is legit. He's going to be a long term #1 for this team no doubt he's that damn good. He's so smooth, he's dynamic, he's good with the ball in his hands, he goes up after the ball. He's had a really good year especially for a rookie and especially given the QB and this offense have at times really struggled. 

The issue isn't Smith. The issue is Howie drafted Reagor and JJAW, a first and a second round pick in recent years and both are busts. Reagor can't even be a solid #3 it seems and JJAW had his first target and catch on Sunday!

They need to add a complimentary WR to play opposite Smith. Personally I'd go with one of the very good FAs that may hit the market but if not just go draft someone. Yes that's another high draft pick on a WR but it can't be ignored that it is a need.

If I had my way, we‘d draft one and add a FA. 🤭

How much draft capital do they need to spend to fix the WR?  Two firsts and a second in the last three years alone and it's still an issue. Time to use draft picks in a way that doesn't actually involve drafting a WR because they've proven not to be good evaluators of young WR talent. 

I think Smith would have been a contender for ROTY if he had a better QB

Something is going on with Reagor. He's clearly dealing with something mentally. Maybe he's struggling with Smith being the #1 and him being just the punt returner

I wish we used Watkins speed more

1 hour ago, shlo said:

That's definitely part of it. Size,  physicality, and speed. Jefferson has him beat on all 3. I see an explosiveness to Jefferson that's not there with Smith. Also, Jefferson has better hands. I still think Smith is a legit WR1. It's not an insult to say he's not on Jefferson's level. 

No, I get it and I agree with you on that...

1 hour ago, nipples said:

With the line I think Kelce retiring would slide Dickerson to center. I think guard is a priority, and could see Brooks moved in the offseason. 

It’s probably true he moves to center, or maybe they like him at guard enough that they look at center in the draft. It’ll be an interesting process to follow

18 minutes ago, Hawkeye said:

How much draft capital do they need to spend to fix the WR?  Two firsts and a second in the last three years alone and it's still an issue. Time to use draft picks in a way that doesn't actually involve drafting a WR because they've proven not to be good evaluators of young WR talent. 

Obviously you never know who teams will re-sign, but right now the potential list of free agent WRs is looking decent. 

Allen Robinson, Chris Godwin, Davante Adams, Will Fuller, JuJu Smith-Schuster, Mike Williams. 

5 hours ago, Philthy Jawn said:

My question is this: albeit with such a limited sample size, do you believe that the drafting of Devonta Smith addresses this mistake?  Or, should the Eagles consider another wide receiver?  Yes, I know this is super preliminary, but do we have a feel yet for the quality of wide receivers in the 2022 draft?  
 

Devonta takes pressure off that mistake for sure. The important thing is we now have a guy that looks like a legit star WR1, it’s what we’ve desperately needed. Eagles have two really good young receiving options with Goedert & Smith, a third would just help make the offense more of a threat & help with depth in case Smith/Goedert get hurt. So yes I think they should consider another WR for sure, but it depends on the situation because WR should be lower on priority list. If they’re sitting at say pick 15 and there’s a really good DE available and a really good WR available, they should go with the DE. But if that really good WR is available and there’s not many other good options for other positions there, I’m fine with them taking the WR.

WR is a strength of the 2022 draft right now, there’s at least 4 or 5 guys projected to go first round at this time.

5 hours ago, Philthy Jawn said:

My question is this: albeit with such a limited sample size, do you believe that the drafting of Devonta Smith addresses this mistake?  Or, should the Eagles consider another wide receiver?  

Smith wasn't the mistake, Reagor was.

From my perspective Smith is a #2 receiver at best, the remedy is to cut Reagor and fill his position with a  bigger WR that's not afraid of the middle of the field, that will open up things up for Watkins, Smith, and Gainwell who I think should be the Eagles slot receiver as he's not afraid of the middle, he's a RB. 

No more drafting receivers. I’d rather they sign a free agent entering his prime to start opposite of Smith. Let Quez, Reagor, and JJAW fight it out for the scraps. 

1 hour ago, EagleVA said:

Smith wasn't the mistake, Reagor was.

From my perspective Smith is a #2 receiver at best, the remedy is to cut Reagor and fill his position with a  bigger WR that's not afraid of the middle of the field, that will open up things up for Watkins, Smith, and Gainwell who I think should be the Eagles slot receiver as he's not afraid of the middle, he's a RB. 

What about Smith makes him a #2 "at best?” Dude is on pace for 70+ catches, 1000+ yards and 6 TDs as a rookie. 

52 minutes ago, nipples said:

What about Smith makes him a #2 "at best?” Dude is on pace for 70+ catches, 1000+ yards and 6 TDs as a rookie. 

When your QB has tunnel vision you can get numbers like that which aren't eye popping for a 17 game season.

This is what I've seen so far, he's not particularly  fast nor quick, he's not a big body that's going to threaten the middle, and I haven't seen any separation or RAC worth a damn.

He does seem to have a pretty good hands and vertical, in my opinion overall he's not a #1 receiver, #1 receivers are the type where you can throw them the ball even when they're covered, if he had a big body he could be that type but he doesn't and that makes it easy for the DB to defend him, it's like defending a broomstick.

Anyhow, I'd be more than happy if he proves me wrong.   

Devonte Smith easily lost a good 150-200 yards and 2 tds because of Hurts poor throws and lack of seeing him wide open etc.

If Hurts was playing better JaMaar Chase and Smith would be neck and neck right now. Smith is going to be a great player but Reagor is done here, they need to get another legit receiver via free agency and focus the upcoming draft on Defense.

 

 

Too many holes on D to draft one imo.  Completely down with VFA.👍

I like the one guy's of moving Gainwell to the slot.

Would prefer we used all 3 picks on defense.

12 hours ago, Philthy Jawn said:

I was watching the Vikings-Packers game last night, and Jefferson was simply sensational--100 yards in the first quarter alone.  The Randy Moss comparisons are not far off, and as I mentioned in another thread, this may go down not only as the worst mistake in Howie's career--which will haunt him for years to come--but also the organization.  Yes, quite possibly worse than passing up on drafting Warren Sapp.  Only time will tell.

My question is this: albeit with such a limited sample size, do you believe that the drafting of Devonta Smith addresses this mistake?  Or, should the Eagles consider another wide receiver?  Yes, I know this is super preliminary, but do we have a feel yet for the quality of wide receivers in the 2022 draft?  

My feeling is that unless Smith can match or excel Jefferson's production, the Eagles may very well be forced to look at wide receiver again.  

Let's focus just on the mistakes.  An uneducated fan does not realize that a left tackle is more important than a WR.  Wanna bet the OP hasn't said squat about the Jordan Mailata pick, or the Landon Dickerson pick which looks to be panning out or the other picks or signings along the OL.

24 minutes ago, Procus said:

Let's focus just on the mistakes.  An uneducated fan does not realize that a left tackle is more important than a WR.  Wanna bet the OP hasn't said squat about the Jordan Mailata pick, or the Landon Dickerson pick which looks to be panning out or the other picks or signings along the 

There is nothing in my original post to suggest that I don't realize any of those things.  Why so defensive?

11 hours ago, Infam said:

If I had my way, we‘d draft one and add a FA. 🤭

If you had your way we'd use all picks on offense! And all money on offense for that matter! 🤣

4 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

If you had your way we'd use all picks on offense! And all money on offense for that matter! 🤣

That‘s not true! I‘d draft Leal with the first pick! 😄

1 minute ago, Infam said:

That‘s not true! I‘d draft Leal with the first pick! 😄

Ok OK apologies my friend! 😊

22 hours ago, Philthy Jawn said:

I was watching the Vikings-Packers game last night, and Jefferson was simply sensational--100 yards in the first quarter alone.  The Randy Moss comparisons are not far off, and as I mentioned in another thread, this may go down not only as the worst mistake in Howie's career--which will haunt him for years to come--but also the organization.  Yes, quite possibly worse than passing up on drafting Warren Sapp.  Only time will tell.

My question is this: albeit with such a limited sample size, do you believe that the drafting of Devonta Smith addresses this mistake?  Or, should the Eagles consider another wide receiver?  Yes, I know this is super preliminary, but do we have a feel yet for the quality of wide receivers in the 2022 draft?  

My feeling is that unless Smith can match or excel Jefferson's production, the Eagles may very well be forced to look at wide receiver again.  

I can't see the eagles using another 1st on another WR.

Especially if they decide to keep hurts.

Hurts hasn't shown to be a qb that spreads the ball around it's basically goedert or Smith unless it's a designed WR RB screen.

At some point it becomes unproductive to continue to throw resources at one position.

Rather the eagles spend those picks elsewhere.

I mean Quez Watkins is the second best WR in the team and was a late round pick and he and reagor have been relegated to being decoys.

What's the point of using another high pick in another deviyt?

10 hours ago, Philthy Jawn said:

There is nothing in my original post to suggest that I don't realize any of those things.  Why so defensive?

Procus is Howie's uncle, he pops up in any thread that mentions drafting or cap space to suggest Howie hasn't done badly.

39 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I can't see the eagles using another 1st on another WR.

Especially if they decide to keep hurts.

Hurts hasn't shown to be a qb that spreads the ball around it's basically goedert or Smith unless it's a designed WR RB screen.

At some point it becomes unproductive to continue to throw resources at one position.

Rather the eagles spend those picks elsewhere.

I mean Quez Watkins is the second best WR in the team and was a late round pick and he and reagor have been relegated to being decoys.

What's the point of using another high pick in another deviyt?

Is Hurts not throwing to Watkins because he doesn't spread the ball around (or only throws to his right), or does he not throw to Watkins because he doesn't have enough confidence in him?

4 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Procus is Howie's uncle, he pops up in any thread that mentions drafting or cap space to suggest Howie hasn't done badly.

Hasn‘t done badly doesn‘t cut it.

He did well.

3 minutes ago, Philthy Jawn said:

Is Hurts not throwing to Watkins because he doesn't spread the ball around (or only throws to his right), or does he not throw to Watkins because he doesn't have enough confidence in him?

If you ran it two thirds of the time, wouldn‘t you throw it to Smith and Goedert most of the time with the few throws you got?

Feels obvious to me.