If Alec Pierce or Romeo Doubs are available in the 3rd Round they'd both be decent picks, Pierce especially is a real unit.

3 hours ago, Philthy Jawn said:

Is Hurts not throwing to Watkins because he doesn't spread the ball around (or only throws to his right), or does he not throw to Watkins because he doesn't have enough confidence in him?

I'd guess hurts doesn't see the field well and doesn't trust his arm on deep throws.

4 hours ago, Utebird said:

I'd guess hurts doesn't see the field well and doesn't trust his arm on deep throws.

You can tell Hurtz is working on his mechanics but still forgets to set his base on the deep throws. Setting the base is key to accuracy on long throws regardless of the QB. Some have the arm to get away with it but none are as accurate as when the set their base and flip their hips to generate the finesse and power.

 

Unless we change to a pocket QB with better accuracy there is no reason to add a WR. I'm convinced Smith would be setting the world on fire on another team with better passing. I'm grateful we have him but his results are being stunted by us running the ball 65% of the time.

 

The running game is such a mismatch for us, we'd be stupid to try to force more passes and Hurtz can't deliver as a pocket passer yet. It means Reagor is going to have to ball out when he gets his touches if he wants to change the narrative because they will be few and far between.

19 hours ago, Philthy Jawn said:

There is nothing in my original post to suggest that I don't realize any of those things.  Why so defensive?

My apologies.  Where is your thread or other posts on the success of the 2018 draft, or for that matter, anything about the Mailata pick?

I wouldn't count on Reagor or JJAW for anything. Devonta is the real deal. Quez looks like a 3rd or 4th type of WR who can make big plays from time to time. What they really need is a bigger guy with sure hands who can move the chains and be a weapon in the red zone. I think you should always go BPA in the draft so perhaps they draft yet another WR early. That being said, they have so many other needs that should be given attention before WR and how many time are you going to that well. DE, LB, S, CB, OL would be areas I would look to address with those three first round picks. I think they can get a decent enough WR in free agency to fill that number role opposite Devonta.  Allen Robinson would be perfect and he might not be insanely expensive coming off of a horrible season.

The miami pick should be in the top ten. The eagles should pretty much be in position to get one of the two top wr's in the draft it they choose. The could probably also package the other two number ones they should have and get another pick in the top 10. I don't have much faith in Howie making a good pick much past the 10 spot in the draft. Once it gets into the latter half of the first round he seems to think too much rather than make the obvious pick.  Also wouldn't mind if the just went free agent or trade a later draft pick for a proven #2 wr and draft all defense in the 1st round. 

He did do pretty well with in 2021 first two rounds netting Smith and Dickerson (if he stays healthy) along with what looks like a 2022 top ten first round pick. That was a nice haul as it stands today. I prefer he doesn't roll the dice again on a player with injury history again in the early rounds. 

5 hours ago, GreenMachine said:

The miami pick should be in the top ten. The eagles should pretty much be in position to get one of the two top wr's in the draft it they choose. The could probably also package the other two number ones they should have and get another pick in the top 10. I don't have much faith in Howie making a good pick much past the 10 spot in the draft. Once it gets into the latter half of the first round he seems to think too much rather than make the obvious pick.  Also wouldn't mind if the just went free agent or trade a later draft pick for a proven #2 wr and draft all defense in the 1st round. 

He did do pretty well with in 2021 first two rounds netting Smith and Dickerson (if he stays healthy) along with what looks like a 2022 top ten first round pick. That was a nice haul as it stands today. I prefer he doesn't roll the dice again on a player with injury history again in the early rounds. 

I wouldn't count the dolphins pick as top 10 yet. There is 9 other teams with the same or worse record then the dolphins and then  another 7 teams with only 1 more win then the dolphins. Dolphins also are on a 3 game win streak as well. 

We have no need to improve the wr corps if we aren’t going to run a passing offense with a passing qb.  Might as well go full 1980 and draft a RB top 10.

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

We have no need to improve the wr corps if we aren’t going to run a passing offense with a passing qb.  Might as well go full 1980 and draft a RB top 10.

That is actually a good point... Is Lurie and Howie going to sit around and hope Hurts develops into a solid passer or are they just going to go out and get one ? 

1 hour ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

That is actually a good point... Is Lurie and Howie going to sit around and hope Hurts develops into a solid passer or are they just going to go out and get one ? 

See, unlike you guys our FO sees what is happening.

There is zero chance Hurts is not our QB next year at this point in time.

But hey, you are free to talk yourself into that hope. But it is not going to happen.

11 minutes ago, Infam said:

See, unlike you guys our FO sees what is happening.

There is zero chance Hurts is not our QB next year at this point in time.

But hey, you are free to talk yourself into that hope. But it is not going to happen.

I wouldn't put it at zero. Don't underestimate Howie's desire to rectify his career long regret of not drafting Wilson.

I can envision him throwing our 3 first rounders at SEA to go get him.

With that said, I don't see any other scenario where Hurts is not the QB in 2022.

29 minutes ago, Infam said:

See, unlike you guys our FO sees what is happening.

There is zero chance Hurts is not our QB next year at this point in time.

But hey, you are free to talk yourself into that hope. But it is not going to happen.

I didn't say "I hope"  I've stated many many times I want hurts to progress so he can be the future. You are free to talk yourself into thinking that's what I want though 

I didn't know you knew Howie and Lurie personally and know exactly what they are thinking 

Still hard to judge the eagles WR since Sirianni hasn't utilized them enough......plus Hurts is still learning and Sirianni has been using the running game a lot more.

I don't think they utilized anybody except smith.....Watkins and Reagor are simply not targeted enough and JJAW and Ward are just not used.  The eagles will probably draft a WR with a 2nd or 3rd round pick, but will they be utilized any better?

It's one of the areas that Sirianni and Hurts have to improve on......finding 2nd and 3rd options on any given pass play and spreading the ball around.

 

YOu cant really look at our wr's right now, because we have a running qb, not a pocket passing QB. all their numbers will be lower

9 hours ago, birdman#12 said:

Still hard to judge the eagles WR since Sirianni hasn't utilized them enough......plus Hurts is still learning and Sirianni has been using the running game a lot more.

I don't think they utilized anybody except smith.....Watkins and Reagor are simply not targeted enough and JJAW and Ward are just not used.  The eagles will probably draft a WR with a 2nd or 3rd round pick, but will they be utilized any better?

It's one of the areas that Sirianni and Hurts have to improve on......finding 2nd and 3rd options on any given pass play and spreading the ball around.

 

Good post. There are some that conclude that players that aren't "producing" are disappointments, busts, JAGs, etc... But a lot of the statistical production has to do with scheme, what they're being asked to do, and who the QB looks to early and often. We have a formula right now that is helping us win games by moving the football, dominating TOP (which really helps mask defensive weaknesses), and limiting critical mistakes like turnovers. The tradeoff is fewer offensive plays, less overall production through the air and fewer targets for WRs. I get ridiculed often for not criticizing players that were recent high draft picks that haven't produced statistically to this point. Of course I'm disappointed in the lack of production, but it's not like these guys are out there dropping passes and turning the ball over. They just aren't being thrown to often enough to really evaluate. Hurts hasn't really matured to the point where he is comfortable going through progressions as a passer. If his target isn't open, he's using his feet --- either running for a gain or rolling out to extend the play. When he chooses to roll out, he'll only focus on 1 guy and if that WR can't get to a spot, Hurts will throw it away. He's young and in time, he'll get a lot better, I believe. But right now, let him play within his comfort zone. Hopefully people will stop acting like it's all about needing better WRs. This offense needs a chance to grow together in order to fully evaluate all the pieces. 

On 11/25/2021 at 7:22 PM, Procus said:

My apologies.  Where is your thread or other posts on the success of the 2018 draft, or for that matter, anything about the Mailata pick?

Question for everyone, since I don't post here as often as others: Is Procus always like us?

14 hours ago, eagle45 said:

We have no need to improve the wr corps if we aren’t going to run a passing offense with a passing qb.  Might as well go full 1980 and draft a RB top 10.

 

Kind of agree, but maybe go with defense and OL rather than a top 10 RB.

1 hour ago, Philthy Jawn said:

Question for everyone, since I don't post here as often as others: Is Procus always like us?

always

There will be plenty of #2 wrs they can take in the 3rd rd. Whoever they take will be better then Reagor 

What exactly is Reagor’s issue? It’s certainly not a lack of physical tools. Surely there’s a chance for him to put things together….

8 minutes ago, GoBirds2020 said:

What exactly is Reagor’s issue? It’s certainly not a lack of physical tools. Surely there’s a chance for him to put things together….

Football acumen and confidence.

53 minutes ago, GoBirds2020 said:

What exactly is Reagor’s issue? It’s certainly not a lack of physical tools. Surely there’s a chance for him to put things together….

Reagor is a young player and still has some maturing to do as a person and a player. I get the feeling that he lets the criticism get in his head a bit and the result is negative. Not everything fans are saying about him is accurate and he shouldn't even concern himself with any of it. He should focus on getting better every game and working as hard as he can at practice. It's more important what his teammates think than what EMB posters or WIP callers are saying. We still have 6 games left this year. Perhaps he'll be able to increase his contribution during that stretch and start quieting some of the critics. 

Don't expect the Eagles to all of a sudden start throwing 45-50 passes in a game, though. The opportunities will likely still be limited.

On 11/24/2021 at 9:24 AM, NOTW said:

There's no way they select three 1st round picks.  At least one will be used in a trade.  

Oh yeah. Howie already has one penciled in as a first the year after.

Anyone...ANYONE that wants to think Reagor is an actual NFL WR should be given a 50 yard running nut kick......and Howie should be put down 'Ol Yeller style.

On 11/24/2021 at 11:38 AM, GeorgeM37 said:

In my humble opinion, there is no making up for it. He has passed on not just Jefferson but also Ceedee Lamb and DK Metcalf and all three are beasts this year.....it hurts looking at them knowing the damage they could have done on this team......I hate howie for those three mistakes alone...

With CeeDee Lamb it hinges on getting a trade partner, can't really hold that against Howie, and if you really want to defend Howie, Metcalf had injury concerns coming into the league, so I guess I can understand that (but reaching for WR instead of drafting a different position still didn't make sense)

At the bare minimum, passing on Justin Jefferson with how productive he was in college for a premier SEC program, was simply inexcusable. So I do agree with you there.

Howie's drafting woes are definitely holding this team back, but I would actually prefer a young veteran WR2 from free agency/trade so we can focus on rebuilding the defense