On 11/30/2021 at 3:53 PM, EazyEaglez said:

The Eagles need a WR. I’d rather they sign a FA. No more Howie guesses. 

You never know. We hit a jackpot on Watkins. I am ok with them selecting another WR, as long as we address defense first. Safety, DE, CB.etc

43 minutes ago, Traveler Vic said:

You never know. We hit a jackpot on Watkins. I am ok with them selecting another WR, as long as we address defense first. Safety, DE, CB.etc

I like Watkins, but I do think we need to draft a slot receiver.

2 hours ago, Traveler Vic said:

You never know. We hit a jackpot on Watkins. I am ok with them selecting another WR, as long as we address defense first. Safety, DE, CB.etc

I like Quez, but I don’t know if I’m ready to call him a jackpot pick, and he was the third receiver taken in that draft by the Eagles. Howie basically missed two other times and one very badly. 

54 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

I like Quez, but I don’t know if I’m ready to call him a jackpot pick, and he was the third receiver taken in that draft by the Eagles. Howie basically missed two other times and one very badly. 

I still cannot believe he passed over a receiver who looks like he will be the next Randy Moss.  That should be a fireable offense.  I don't care what the coaching staff wanted.

47 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

I like Quez, but I don’t know if I’m ready to call him a jackpot pick, and he was the third receiver taken in that draft by the Eagles. Howie basically missed two other times and one very badly. 

Howie knows that he sucks at drafting, especially WR, so let him use statistics. Jackpot is an argumentative term ....Watkins was 200th , 6th round pick. Considering his draft level ...he overachieved. I am ok with Howie selecting  multiple WRs in late rounds and possibly getting lucky on one. It is statistically probable.

3 minutes ago, Traveler Vic said:

Howie knows that he sucks at drafting

Then why does he insist on choosing the players in the draft and not let Andy W. do it?  The amazing irony here is that he would have more job security, not less, if he did that.

5 minutes ago, Philthy Jawn said:

Then why does he insist on choosing the players in the draft and not let Andy W. do it?  The amazing irony here is that he would have more job security, not less, if he did that.

Lack of Trust?

12 hours ago, Philthy Jawn said:

I still cannot believe he passed over a receiver who looks like he will be the next Randy Moss.  That should be a fireable offense.  I don't care what the coaching staff wanted.

You can probably look at the Eagles over the past five to six drafts and say I can’t believe Howie passed on some player. Most GMs could probably say that about after all every GM passed on Tom Brady. My I can’t believe moment is I can’t believe he’s survived 4 coaches and two of them has won the Super Bowl. Seems like maybe it’s less about the coaches who get hired and more about the poor job Howie is doing to get those coaches enough good talent. Howie’s whole resume seems littered with these kinds of mistakes. The one year the Eagles took Pumphrey they picked the worst running back in a draft full of really good ones. Howie’s Ben messing up for many years now. 

I know they have three first round picks but I have a hard time justifying spending yet another one on a WR. I think they need to grab a slot receiver in the slot. Maybe a guy who is more of a big bodied possession receiver since they already have the speed in Smith and Watkins. 

I really like Emeka Emezie from NC State for that role. Mid-round guy most likely, has made a ton of big plays.  

1 hour ago, Philthy Jawn said:

Not that I'm justifying passing on Jefferson but, their team has been just as bad or worse then ours with an all pro receiver... The obsession of having an elite receiver is overrated. I'd rather have a group of very good receivers then just one great one. 

Also no Super Bowl among them either. 

1 minute ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

The obsession of having an elite receiver is overrated. I'd rather have a group of very good receivers then just one great one. 

We don't have that either because Roseman has missed on so many drafts.  

On 11/24/2021 at 11:29 AM, Infam said:

"no way", hm? 😄

Maybe they trade down with one a few spots, but I absolutely see us coming out of that draft with three first round selections.

I think the draw of being able to wheel and deal with 3 first round picks will simply be too much for Howie......I'd be stunned if they came away with 3 picks in the first round.  He's already proven that his "priorities" are very different to what seems obvious for "team priorities" or needs.

I think he trades down and picks up 1st next year, and/or he trades for multiple 2nd and 3rd round picks or some crazy combination......

14 minutes ago, birdman#12 said:

I think the draw of being able to wheel and deal with 3 first round picks will simply be too much for Howie......I'd be stunned if they came away with 3 picks in the first round.  He's already proven that his "priorities" are very different to what seems obvious for "team priorities" or needs.

I think he trades down and picks up 1st next year, and/or he trades for multiple 2nd and 3rd round picks or some crazy combination......

He might try. Doesn‘t mean we actually find a team that gives us their first next year. 

That said I‘ll always be in favor of trading down with a first to add a first next year. It‘s just a damn good move. Was worth it last draft for sure, would be worth it this draft too.

4 hours ago, Infam said:

He might try. Doesn‘t mean we actually find a team that gives us their first next year. 

That said I‘ll always be in favor of trading down with a first to add a first next year. It‘s just a damn good move. Was worth it last draft for sure, would be worth it this draft too.

It does sound like a good move......depending on whether or not an exceptional player is available when the eagles are scheduled to pick.  The eagles need a ton of talent infusion on defense, and it would be nice to get 3 very good players this year.

But there are other factors to making that decision.....maybe this year, they don't feel the talent is worthy of where they pick or they see next year's draft as more talented.

Either way, I hope they don't reach for a guy in the first and come away with at least 2 very good players.  

8 minutes ago, birdman#12 said:

It does sound like a good move......depending on whether or not an exceptional player is available when the eagles are scheduled to pick.  The eagles need a ton of talent infusion on defense, and it would be nice to get 3 very good players this year.

But there are other factors to making that decision.....maybe this year, they don't feel the talent is worthy of where they pick or they see next year's draft as more talented.

Either way, I hope they don't reach for a guy in the first and come away with at least 2 very good players.  

Agreed, if they are sure they could get a superstar with that pick that changes things. Still would say trading down like this is the smart play 99% of the time.

On 12/6/2021 at 12:26 PM, EazyEaglez said:

You can probably look at the Eagles over the past five to six drafts and say I can’t believe Howie passed on some player. Most GMs could probably say that about after all every GM passed on Tom Brady. My I can’t believe moment is I can’t believe he’s survived 4 coaches and two of them has won the Super Bowl. Seems like maybe it’s less about the coaches who get hired and more about the poor job Howie is doing to get those coaches enough good talent. Howie’s whole resume seems littered with these kinds of mistakes. The one year the Eagles took Pumphrey they picked the worst running back in a draft full of really good ones. Howie’s Ben messing up for many years now. 

While I do not want to defend Howie in any way, there is a lot more that goes into a player then just drafting him. There is player development, chemistry on the team, that players willingness to learn and grow with the team, etc. How much did Jefferson gain from being on a team with Dalvin Cook and Adam Thielen?

Jerry Jeudy was the superior college talent and he looks nothing like Jefferson. It is because Denver has had JAGs at QB and no running game.

Justin Jefferson if he was an Eagle would be a 600 yard, 3 td per season WR, he wouldn't be putting up numbers like he does in Minnesota.

 

Still what a miss, that Reagor pick will haunt the franchise forever.

 

12 hours ago, Jeep_man said:

Justin Jefferson if he was an Eagle would be a 600 yard, 3 td per season WR, he wouldn't be putting up numbers like he does in Minnesota.

 

Still what a miss, that Reagor pick will haunt the franchise forever.

 

Indeed, the coaches need to use the player's strength and not squeeze them in their style/system.  Player development is critical for the young players to improve in NFL.  Too often, players fail because they are used the wrong way and lost confidence.

The last draft class looks fine.  The top few are playing well and on their way to establish themselves with the team.  If the FO can repeat the similar haul in the next draft, this team will be good.  Adding another WR is fine, but defense badly needs more young blood and must be addressed.

If Reagor is a sore pick, where JJAW fits in?

 

 

2 hours ago, Penn7980 said:

Adding another WR is fine, but defense badly needs more young blood and must be addressed.

 

 

I agree with you, but the receiving corps is in a very bad state right now.  Smith is a #1 and Watkins on any other team would be a #4.  So, we are missing a 2 and a 3.  Let's consider that for a moment: we do not have a real, bona fide slot receiver (Ward is a JAG).  

We could address one of the gaps through free agency, but I doubt we could afford two receivers.

2 hours ago, Penn7980 said:

Indeed, the coaches need to use the player's strength and not squeeze them in their style/system.  Player development is critical for the young players to improve in NFL.  Too often, players fail because they are used the wrong way and lost confidence.

The last draft class looks fine.  The top few are playing well and on their way to establish themselves with the team.  If the FO can repeat the similar haul in the next draft, this team will be good.  Adding another WR is fine, but defense badly needs more young blood and must be addressed.

If Reagor is a sore pick, where JJAW fits in?

 

 

That is what a good coach would do with all of his players: building around them, not his magic "system".   Most coaches have big egos that prevent this from happening.

8 hours ago, Penn7980 said:

 

If Reagor is a sore pick, where JJAW fits in?

 

 

JJAW is not nearly as bad as Reagor as he was a 2nd round pick and doesn't have the stigma attachment to Jefferson.

9 minutes ago, Jeep_man said:

JJAW is not nearly as bad as Reagor as he was a 2nd round pick and doesn't have the stigma attachment to Jefferson.

And JJ is attached to Metcalf. Who cares who is worse they are both effing awful and that's the problem

The JJAW pick was also on Lurie, not Howie.