From now on, when a player injures a knee I hope it is listed the same as when Wentz did. 

I'm talking the following: Torn ACL, MCL, meniscus, bursa sac, patella repositioning, articullar cartilage bruising, hamstring swelling, etc, etc, etc. 

Not just "he tore his ACL". 

Just cracking up at the list of the same injury that all players have, but it's f'ing itemized for Carson Wentz. And I agree that this kid gets injured like it's his job, but some of these comments are insanity. 

37 minutes ago, Jfluke said:

Did anyone say 'this year'? I specifically stated it wasn't imminent (Imo), in that post you quoted. Did you even read past what you decided to quote? 

I get it though, you couldn't even bring yourself to admit he played poorly vs Seattle in the regular season game. Think outside your fandom for a minute. Read the entire statement I made, then put yourself in his position. 

 

I read it and I disagree. And Seattle game? Wtf are you talking about?

8 minutes ago, stinkfist said:

From now on, when a player injures a knee I hope it is listed the same as when Wentz did. 

I'm talking the following: Torn ACL, MCL, meniscus, bursa sac, patella repositioning, articullar cartilage bruising, hamstring swelling, etc, etc, etc. 

Not just "he tore his ACL". 

Just cracking up at the list of the same injury that all players have, but it's f'ing itemized for Carson Wentz. And I agree that this kid gets injured like it's his job, but some of these comments are insanity. 

Apparently whenever there is an injury to anyone now it is time to talk retirement. Or if they have a kid. 

32 minutes ago, Uscg-green said:

Apparently whenever there is an injury to anyone now it is time to talk retirement. Or if they have a kid. 

The amazement that Wentz asked if they were in the playoffs when concussed shows me how many doctors are on the board. 

A literal conversation I had with my QB in high school when he got his bell rung:

Me - "Josh, sit the F down, you have a concussion." 

Josh - "Am I bleeding?"

Me - "No Josh, you're not bleeding. Do you know what day it is?"

Josh - "Tuesday? Am I bleeding?"

Me. "It's Saturday Josh. No, you're not bleeding. What team are we playing?"

Josh - "Am I bleeding? Huh? Am I bleeding? Team? DeMatha?"

Me - "Josh, for the last f'ing time, you're not bleeding. We are not playing DeMatha. Wrong state even. Sit down."

Josh - "Am I..."

Everyone on the bench - "You're not bleeding!"

I get that people are upset that Wentz seems to be a walking injury, but I'm in shock no one has been around someone who has had a concussion. Some amazing responses. 

On 5/1/2020 at 1:19 PM, Saltpeter said:

Wentz is a smart guy -- high school class valedictorian, 4.0 college GPA -- and will have made over $150M in pre-tax earnings by the end of his current contract. He's been good-to-great at everything he's done in his whole life. Additionally, his known injury history is as follows:

Concussion (3 known: 2 in high school, 2020)
Torn ACL (2017)
Torn LCL (2017)
Torn meniscus (2 total: 2013, 2017)
Partial IT band tear (2017)
Stress fracture in back (2 known: high school -- discovered when he got to NDSU, 2018)
High ankle sprain (2015)
Broken wrist (2015)

I'm astounded that anyone can look at Wentz's history and not think he's an early retirement risk.

Knowing the binary thinking that occurs when discussing this particular player, I'm expecting this to be (incorrectly) read as, "Wentz sucks and is injury prone; trade for Foles or start Hurts!" rather than what it is -- a risk assessment.

Go thru every NFL players injury list and I'll bet more then half are longer then this by a lot. It's a rough sport.

Had a guy in Iraq sustain a concussion and they had no clue where we were or what year we were in. Basically had to carry the poor **** because he didn't understand

why insurgents were firing upon us  it was sad . Wentz has been concussed multiple times his brain is and will be tapioca for sure.

On 5/1/2020 at 2:19 PM, Saltpeter said:

Concussion (3 known: 2 in high school, 2020)
Torn ACL (2017)
Torn LCL (2017)
Torn meniscus (2 total: 2013, 2017)
Partial IT band tear (2017)
Stress fracture in back (2 known: high school -- discovered when he got to NDSU, 2018)
High ankle sprain (2015)
Broken wrist (2015)

I'm astounded that anyone can look at Wentz's history and not think he's an early retirement risk.

Concussions 10 years apart mean nothing.  Bones heal, ankle sprains heal. IT bands have never been a chronic injury problem for anyone except distance runners.  Bad knee injury heals in a year.  The only injury on that list that would be worrisome for early retirement is the stress fractures in his back. 

20 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Wait.  You needed to see this to know he had a concussion? 

 

 

Are you stupid or something?

You're an ignorant pos. but you knew that didn't you. F off 

On 5/2/2020 at 9:16 PM, Uscg-green said:

 

Go away troll.

Are you stupid? That's your response? Since people act as if it's inevitable that Carson is going to get hurt next season ( because so many say he's injury prone ), what injury is he going to suffer? What issue does he have ( for instance, like Gurley with the arthritic knee ) with his body that could possibly cause him to miss games? He's had a torn ACL; then he broke his back; then he got knocked out the game vs. Seattle by a dirty hit after playing 16 games. That means, according to many, that he's damn near a shoo-in for an injury next year simply because he's had three injuries in the past that had nothing to do with each other. 

Ford lied in the 3rd paragraph when referencing the "quarterback factory” comment, so I had to stop reading. It stands to reason that he’ll finish the article lying about things of which I don’t know.

On 5/1/2020 at 3:51 PM, Uscg-green said:

You dont give someone 128 million that isn't a franchise QB. 

 

On 5/1/2020 at 2:56 PM, Uscg-green said:

I am enjoying watching Clowney find out he isnt worth what he thinks he is.

Clowney is another injury prone player, that's why he has no takers, nobody needs a player that's all too often in street clothes. 

On 5/7/2020 at 7:35 PM, eagle-mike said:

Concussions 10 years apart mean nothing.  Bones heal, ankle sprains heal. IT bands have never been a chronic injury problem for anyone except distance runners.  Bad knee injury heals in a year.  The only injury on that list that would be worrisome for early retirement is the stress fractures in his back. 

With respect that's horseshit, concussive brain injuries can and do act cumulatively, since the early 2000's and especially since Duerson and Seau more and more players are asking whats the point of earning more money than I'll ever spend if my brain will be turned to mush before I'm 50? or if my joints turn me into a cripple every time the weather turns cold because of one too many hits or surgical repairs. 

The stress fracture in his back is caused by the mechanics of being a professional QB, it's not an impact injury and it wasn't to the body of the vertebrae.

On 5/12/2020 at 11:46 AM, Cochis_Calhoun said:

With respect that's horseshit, concussive brain injuries can and do act cumulatively, since the early 2000's and especially since Duerson and Seau more and more players are asking whats the point of earning more money than I'll ever spend if my brain will be turned to mush before I'm 50? or if my joints turn me into a cripple every time the weather turns cold because of one too many hits or surgical repairs. 

The stress fracture in his back is caused by the mechanics of being a professional QB, it's not an impact injury and it wasn't to the body of the vertebrae.

I wasn't responding to a question about CTE.  I was responding to a question about Wentz durability while he's an active QB playing the game for the next 10-12 years.  What happens at age 50 or 60 to a retired player, while important, is not relevant to that discussion. He doesn't have a chronic concussion history so that doesn't pose a risk to his career.

Carson Wentz back injury was absolutely caused by impact and it was the body of the vertebrae that was compressed.

On 5/1/2020 at 5:46 PM, Uscg-green said:

Even if true its not a secret he was concussed. Ive examined patients with the same type of concusion right after. It is common. One guy who fell off a dirt bike couldn't remember his wife of ten years name. 

yeah there is a reason they ask you those seemingly stupid questions after head trauma, no matter how mild. The brain is a tricky thing.

Side note: though I think they need to establish COVID rules for some of those questions. Somedays it feels pretty darn difficult to remember the day of the week 

The point of the article quoted in the OP was lost and now we have five pages setting up the Wentz retirement party.

The story correctly points out that Wentz has a significant injury history and like it or not, they need someone else who can play the position and win games. That's why they went with Hurts so early.

https://www.inquirer.com/eagles/eagles-jalen-hurts-carson-wentz-quarterback-nfl-draft-injuries-20200429.html

Whether it's him or someone else, the Eagles seem to realize Wentz will likely get hurt again. 

37 minutes ago, QBhunter58 said:

yeah there is a reason they ask you those seemingly stupid questions after head trauma, no matter how mild. The brain is a tricky thing.

Side note: though I think they need to establish COVID rules for some of those questions. Somedays it feels pretty darn difficult to remember the day of the week 

One question I always asked to see if their logic and reasoning was working was: is Mickey Mouse a cat or a dog?

17 hours ago, eagle-mike said:

I wasn't responding to a question about CTE.  I was responding to a question about Wentz durability while he's an active QB playing the game for the next 10-12 years.  What happens at age 50 or 60 to a retired player, while important, is not relevant to that discussion. He doesn't have a chronic concussion history so that doesn't pose a risk to his career.

Carson Wentz back injury was absolutely caused by impact and it was the body of the vertebrae that was compressed.

Wentz back injury was a stress fracture, the reason it's called a stress fracture is because it's a fracture caused by repetitive overuse.  If it was an impact injury it would just be called a fracture.

On 5/7/2020 at 2:55 PM, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I fell out of a tree when I was a kid and landed on a tree stump.  Woke up an hour later in the back of our family van.  I turned out just fine.  

I literally took a break from these boards already after reading this thread. Just came back. Exactly what you said. 

I fell out of my buddies hay loft onto a freaking concrete slab and you could see my skull. Turns out, I didn't have to retire from being a kid. I think another week away will be best for my blood pressure. It's like the old EMB at times here. 

Thanks for the laugh. You were always good with those man. 😄

On 5/4/2020 at 1:33 AM, Uscg-green said:

Apparently whenever there is an injury to anyone now it is time to talk retirement. Or if they have a kid. 

Isn't having a kid retirement? That's when I got put out to pasture. 

On 5/15/2020 at 4:50 AM, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Wentz back injury was a stress fracture, the reason it's called a stress fracture is because it's a fracture caused by repetitive overuse.  If it was an impact injury it would just be called a fracture.

No that's not the reason.  The reason it is called that is because it describes a type of fracture.  I've been doing this medical thing a long time but if you don't want to take the word of some guy on the intertubes (and who would?)  then take the word of a spine surgeon who commented specifically on Carson Wentz injury:

"Usually, these type of injuries are impact related. They’re not related to repetitive motion or repetitive stress. When you think of the healthy professional athlete and non-operative, it’s usually one of these types of injuries. Impact or trauma"

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/dr-james-sanfilippo-explains-carson-wentzs-back-injury

41 minutes ago, eagle-mike said:

No that's not the reason.  The reason it is called that is because it describes a type of fracture.  I've been doing this medical thing a long time but if you don't want to take the word of some guy on the intertubes (and who would?)  then take the word of a spine surgeon who commented specifically on Carson Wentz injury:

"Usually, these type of injuries are impact related. They’re not related to repetitive motion or repetitive stress. When you think of the healthy professional athlete and non-operative, it’s usually one of these types of injuries. Impact or trauma"

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/dr-james-sanfilippo-explains-carson-wentzs-back-injury

So you're saying you're a doctor and then saying that the vast vast majority of stress fractures aren't caused by repetitive overuse?  Because honestly that's flat out nonsense, and that guy on the link appears to be talking about just vertebral fractures in generalities not stress fractures.  It was announced as a stress fracture, both Doug and Wentz himself have referred to it a s a stress injury that developed over time.

On 5/1/2020 at 10:33 AM, Wolves111 said:

"Wentz came to the sideline after completing the first-quarter series in which he absorbed a brutal helmet-to-helmet hit from Jadeveon Clowney. He sat on the bench next to backup Josh McCown and looked at a computer tablet branded along its border with the NFL Playoffs logo".

 

Wentz looked up. "Are we in the playoffs?” he asked McCown.

This is taken from Fords last Eagles column yesterday after 32 years of being a terrific beat writer for the Inquirer. I guess since he's retiring he was the only Philly writer with the balls to tell the truth.

That's why hurts was drafted. We're looking at Andrew Luck in Philly. Now we can debate if Hurts is the answer should Wentz retire early, which I believe he will, but that's why they drafted him. It's a shame to. He's 2020's version of Lindros.

 

You're making some false equivalencies here.  Andrew Luck retired because it took nearly 3 full years to adequately diagnose, treat, and repair his throwing shoulder; he couldn't even pick up a football and throw it for the vast majority of his recovery period.  He then suffered another injury prior to the start of last season that had the potential of being another long-term recovery.  Wentz could, and would, play tomorrow if there was a game scheduled.

As far as Lindros goes, his concussions were misdiagnosed and mistreated and he still had a 13-year NHL career.  Medical staffs are a little bit better now at detection, diagnosis, and treatment.  Troy Aikman sustained at least 9 concussions before he quit playing; he makes a pretty lucrative career now by using his still-intact mental faculties.

Wentz is good enough to lead the team to a SB.  He just has to stay healthy and play smart football.  Am sure he got the message with the drafting of Hurts.  Should be fun to watch our WRs blaze all over the field.  Just get the ball to the right guy.

2 minutes ago, Miami said:

Wentz is good enough to lead the team to a SB.  He just has to stay healthy and play smart football.  Am sure he got the message with the drafting of Hurts.  Should be fun to watch our WRs blaze all over the field.  Just get the ball to the right guy.

What message is that?