I mean he's not entirely wrong... But he's also a bad HC so really he's in no position to comment. 

Every offense is a gimmick offense.

To all the "Pocket passers are a thing of the past" people,  you've been fooled yet again. Happens every year and TBF, a long time ago I thought so too for a brief time. Then I realized the truth. The running QB's of the world won't win if you take away their ability to run. The hyper accurate pocket passer reigns supreme in the NFL.

8 carries for 77 yards.  The Giants did not stop his running.

The Giants rushing totals were 27 carries for 70 yards.

 

5 hours ago, PoconoDon said:

To all the "Pocket passers are a thing of the past" people,  you've been fooled yet again. Happens every year and TBF, a long time ago I thought so too for a brief time. Then I realized the truth. The running QB's of the world won't win if you take away their ability to run. The hyper accurate pocket passer reigns supreme in the NFL.

Hurts had more rushing yards than the whole Giants team.

It was a bad game.  Hurts also won a number of games with the running.

The big back, Jordan Howard, was out.  The Eagles still ran for 208 yards.

Hurts made mistakes,  others made mistakes. 

If the Eagles had kicked a FG at the end of the first half with 08 left, instead of a pass play that seemed to take 08 seconds.   The Eagles would have gotten an extra 3 there.   At the end of the game, when the Eagles needed a TD,  they could have kicked a FG to tie.  The Eagles should have won, if some of the mistakes didn't happen.   The underlying offense was moving the ball.  208 rushing yards is good,  without Howard.  Needed Howard or another big back,  and should have kicked a FG.   People call that a Hurts mistake, and it was,  but that should have been a FG.

Lamar had 4 picks and the Ravens won.  Hurts ran for more yards than Lamar.  Lamar ran 17 times to Hurts 8. 

On 11/29/2021 at 10:49 PM, Vileborg said:

It's a Gimmick until enough teams do it. Several other teams have already gone run heavy and are seeing the same or better success.

 

Jordan Howard, the big back who is very important to the Eagles when they run heavy,  was out.  He wasn't replaced.  The Eagles have lighter backs, and they used them.   Jordan Howard is critical in short yardage situations.

Run First with Running QB works.   It doesn't work perfectly, always. 

I'll blame Reagor for the loss. 

52 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

If the Eagles had kicked a FG at the end of the first half with 08 left

I'd be calling for Siri's head. That would have been a seriously dumb call. Of course, the only thing dumber in that situation was the boneheaded play made by our QB 

47 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

Hurts had more rushing yards than the whole Giants team.

It was a bad game.  Hurts also won a number of games with the running.

The big back, Jordan Howard, was out.  The Eagles still ran for 208 yards.

Hurts made mistakes,  others made mistakes. 

If the Eagles had kicked a FG at the end of the first half with 08 left, instead of a pass play that seemed to take 08 seconds.   The Eagles would have gotten an extra 3 there.   At the end of the game, when the Eagles needed a TD,  they could have kicked a FG to tie.  The Eagles should have won, if some of the mistakes didn't happen.   The underlying offense was moving the ball.  208 rushing yards is good,  without Howard.  Needed Howard or another big back,  and should have kicked a FG.   People call that a Hurts mistake, and it was,  but that should have been a FG.

Lamar had 4 picks and the Ravens won.  Hurts ran for more yards than Lamar.  Lamar ran 17 times to Hurts 8. 

All the "If's" in the world won't change the "L" they took. Hurts simply is what he is. He's a fairly inaccurate running QB with moderate arm strength and slow decision making which is leading to late throws. Can he improve some? I hope so. If he does, then he likely tops out as a premium QB2. Right now he plays like an average back up. 

How many times do we have to see a running QB have his ability to run schemed away by a defense, and then they fail to win with their arm, before we all accept how Pro Football is designed?  It's very design favors the accurate pocket passer over the inaccurate running QB. Scheming away the run from a running QB isn't hard if you have a good front 7. The Eagles did it to a much better running QB in Mike Vick more than once. That type of QB is exciting, but none of them ever developed into snipers from the pocket, so they can't take over with their arm when they have to, and none of them ever won a SB, which comes as no surprise. 

41 minutes ago, kiwieagle said:

I'd be calling for Siri's head. That would have been a seriously dumb call. Of course, the only thing dumber in that situation was the boneheaded play made by our QB 

No it isn't a seriously dumb call.  It's a conservative call.   8 seconds is not a lot of time.  And why was Hurts running backwards?   It's not a gimme.   The Ravens won with a lot of risk taking a couple of years ago,  but they were just better, and they got huge points and victory margins, because they were winning those risky plays. 

They would have gotten 3 points.

40 minutes ago, PoconoDon said:

All the "If's" in the world won't change the "L" they took. Hurts simply is what he is. He's a fairly inaccurate running QB with moderate arm strength and slow decision making which is leading to late throws. Can he improve some? I hope so. If he does, then he likely tops out as a premium QB2. Right now he plays like an average back up. 

How many times do we have to see a running QB have his ability to run schemed away by a defense, and then they fail to win with their arm, before we all accept how Pro Football is designed?  It's very design favors the accurate pocket passer over the inaccurate running QB. Scheming away the run from a running QB isn't hard if you have a good front 7. The Eagles did it to a much better running QB in Mike Vick more than once. That type of QB is exciting, but none of them ever developed into snipers from the pocket, so they can't take over with their arm when they have to, and none of them ever won a SB, which comes as no surprise. 

Right now,  PFF has Hurts as the #11 QB.  

Hurts is the #2 QB in fantasy points.  They give you fantasy points for doing good stuff.  Hurts has done a lot of good stuff.

Good numbers throughout the season.

Some times he doesn't play as well as other times, and sometimes other players aren't playing well. 

1 hour ago, Random Reglar said:

No it isn't a seriously dumb call.  It's a conservative call.   8 seconds is not a lot of time.  And why was Hurts running backwards?   It's not a gimme.   The Ravens won with a lot of risk taking a couple of years ago,  but they were just better, and they got huge points and victory margins, because they were winning those risky plays. 

They would have gotten 3 points.

8 seconds is a lot of time to make a couple of reads and if its not there, you throw it out of the end zone or out of bounds. You don't coach and call plays with the view that you can't rely on your players not making the dumbest of dumb decisions. 

The right call was running the play (maybe you get 7) but if not in almost all scenarios you still get the chance at 3. Our QB made sure we ended up in the almost part.

2 hours ago, Random Reglar said:

Right now,  PFF has Hurts as the #11 QB.  

Hurts is the #2 QB in fantasy points.  They give you fantasy points for doing good stuff.  Hurts has done a lot of good stuff.

Good numbers throughout the season.

Some times he doesn't play as well as other times, and sometimes other players aren't playing well. 

OK.  You believe he's good enough to be the starter for a championship team. I believe he's not. 

23 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I mean he's not entirely wrong... But he's also a bad HC so really he's in no position to comment. 

its a pot meet kettle statement, he's right though, its a big slap in the  ol face when the giants coach says it

2 hours ago, Random Reglar said:

Right now,  PFF has Hurts as the #11 QB.  

Hurts is the #2 QB in fantasy points.  They give you fantasy points for doing good stuff.  Hurts has done a lot of good stuff.

Good numbers throughout the season.

Some times he doesn't play as well as other times, and sometimes other players aren't playing well. 

so you think he's good enough to be the starter here?  I sure hope you dont think that, he's a got a good chance to be a lilfelong back up qb around the league,  and a good one, but not a starter

6 minutes ago, olsilverhair said:

so you think he's good enough to be the starter here?  I sure hope you dont think that, he's a got a good chance to be a lilfelong back up qb around the league,  and a good one, but not a starter

Hurts IS THE STARTER RIGHT NOW.

He's number 2 in fantasy points after Josh Allen among QBs.   He's going a whole bunch of good stuff.

Next year,  have bigger players.  Don't have quite so many 5'10 200 pound RB / WRs

Use Tyree Jackson in the backfield,  to pass protect, or run, or throw, run a route and catch. 

1 hour ago, PoconoDon said:

OK.  You believe he's good enough to be the starter for a championship team. I believe he's not. 

Yeah,  build an offense around running QBs, include Tyree Jackson in that.  They don't have to spend anything to get him.  Get rid of some of those 5'10 200 4.47 guys.  Bring in big back, big fullback, big fullback who can run.  You want additional power running and blocking.    The oline is excellent at run blocking and should be better if everyone is healthy.  There are solid backups when everyone is back.  Those players could be put on the oline to make a 7 man line.  Hurts,  a great blocking oline, Tyree Jackson as versatile superweapon,  Smith, Goedert.   Assuming Jordan Howard is back,  pick up at least 1 new big back.  Changes on offense to make it more run first friendly won't consume resources.  The defense can have costly upgrades,  making it hopefully top tier.   Jalen Hurts is better than Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer. 

Did anyone actually read the article?  The coach didn’t say any of the things OP said he did.

On 11/29/2021 at 7:42 PM, time2rock said:

Agreed … outside of QB we ran for 131 yards (on 25 attempts … 5.2 yds/carry).  If you add in the rushing yards by Hurts that number jumps to 208 yards.  Sirianni should have stayed run heavy like he had been the past few games when we won 3 of 4 … we were running at a rate of 66%.  We were right around 50% yesterday (if counting rushing attempts by Hurts).  

People keep saying this and it's not accurate. Yes, the final tally had us close to 50%, but that's because Hurts had no choice and had to throw that last drive. 8 times, to be exact. That put him at 23 throws before that final drive, the same amount as the Broncos game and one less than the Saints game.

We were run heavy.

15 minutes ago, Swoop said:

People keep saying this and it's not accurate. Yes, the final tally had us close to 50%, but that's because Hurts had no choice and had to throw that last drive. 8 times, to be exact. That put him at 23 throws before that final drive, the same amount as the Broncos game and one less than the Saints game.

We were run heavy.

I was basing my comment on the stat line ... I missed most of the game due to a power outage - power kicked off mid 2nd quarter and wasn't restored until close to 5pm.  Perhaps that was a blessing in disguise.  

31 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

Did anyone actually read the article?  The coach didn’t say any of the things OP said he did.

been waiting for this

1 hour ago, Random Reglar said:

Yeah,  build an offense around running QBs, include Tyree Jackson in that.  They don't have to spend anything to get him.  Get rid of some of those 5'10 200 4.47 guys.  Bring in big back, big fullback, big fullback who can run.  You want additional power running and blocking.    The oline is excellent at run blocking and should be better if everyone is healthy.  There are solid backups when everyone is back.  Those players could be put on the oline to make a 7 man line.  Hurts,  a great blocking oline, Tyree Jackson as versatile superweapon,  Smith, Goedert.   Assuming Jordan Howard is back,  pick up at least 1 new big back.  Changes on offense to make it more run first friendly won't consume resources.  The defense can have costly upgrades,  making it hopefully top tier.   Jalen Hurts is better than Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer. 

Woohoo. Navy triple-option, here we come!

13 hours ago, PoconoDon said:

To all the "Pocket passers are a thing of the past" people,  you've been fooled yet again. Happens every year and TBF, a long time ago I thought so too for a brief time. Then I realized the truth. The running QB's of the world won't win if you take away their ability to run. The hyper accurate pocket passer reigns supreme in the NFL.

That would hold true assuming they never improve as passers. Cunningham's best season was as a Viking when he actually had time to stand in a pocket behind an NFL caliber O-line. Vick became a much better passer after jail when he responded to coaching and worked hard to improve. McNabb, IMO, worked too hard to ditch his running in an effort to be known as a pocket passer. He left a lot of 1st downs out there when he refused to run despite having the ability.

Ideally, you want to have both. You need a guy that can win either way. Hurts isn't that guy yet, but given time could develop. History proves the process rarely happens quickly. The QB needs to show progress as a passer or you just end up with Tebow. 

3 hours ago, PoconoDon said:

OK.  You believe he's good enough to be the starter for a championship team. I believe he's not. 

Good enough for a fantasy championship!! 🙄

7 hours ago, kiwieagle said:

I'd be calling for Siri's head. That would have been a seriously dumb call. Of course, the only thing dumber in that situation was the boneheaded play made by our QB 

I agree. 8 seconds was plenty of time to run a play and throw the ball away if nothing opened quickly. 

15 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

IT's crazy how many hard core homers we have here. 

this is a gimmick offense and they did stop us lol. 

Holding a top offensive team to less than 350 yards(which is basically what the Jets average each game for comparison) 7 points and 4 turnovers is STOPPING them lol. 

Dudes a total D-bag, I agree. Probably wont have a job come Jan 1st, but yes, he stopped us

So this "is a gimmick offense" but it's also a "top offensive team" in your opinion? Seems a bit contradictory.