May 16, 20205 yr 20 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said: If people are honest, then you can admit only a very few amount of people thought the 2017 team had a chance at the SB before the season started. Most of them were drinking the Ike Juice and said it every year, lol. Point is you need to wait till about mid season to really know if a team has a shot or not. Teams can go from worst to first. So called top teams can turn to crap quick. Few? If people are honest, nobody saw that coming. We all were bracing for the inevitable Doug Pederson firing after he said that team was as talented as the old Packers squad. Most were convinced that Schwartz was going to take over at some point. Then Carson Wentz and Nick Foles happened.
May 17, 20205 yr 3 hours ago, DeathByEagle said: If people are honest, then you can admit only a very few amount of people thought the 2017 team had a chance at the SB before the season started. Most of them were drinking the Ike Juice and said it every year, lol. Point is you need to wait till about mid season to really know if a team has a shot or not. Teams can go from worst to first. So called top teams can turn to crap quick. If those same people were being more honest they would also state they thought the following seasons would both have been double digit regular season wins. I agree it’s too soon to say which way this team will go. The truth is there is no Foles bailout if Carson goes down this time.
May 17, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said: If those same people were being more honest they would also state they thought the following seasons would both have been double digit regular season wins. I agree it’s too soon to say which way this team will go. The truth is there is no Foles bailout if Carson goes down this time. I thought they would be better but, I also knew that this day in age there is usually a drop off after a super bowl unless you are the Patriots
May 17, 20205 yr 5 hours ago, DeathByEagle said: If people are honest, then you can admit only a very few amount of people thought the 2017 team had a chance at the SB before the season started. Most of them were drinking the Ike Juice and said it every year, lol. Point is you need to wait till about mid season to really know if a team has a shot or not. Teams can go from worst to first. So called top teams can turn to crap quick. Yup, pretty much what I was going to say. Do they like SB contenders? Meh. More like playoff contenders. But we've had plenty of teams that sure did look like it and many of them didn't win squat. Then there was the 2017 team that frankly looked a tad weaker than this one going in and bam! I will say that this offense on paper has the octane to be elite. The defense shouldn't be awful and ST might even be special.
May 17, 20205 yr 40 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said: I thought they would be better but, I also knew that this day in age there is usually a drop off after a super bowl unless you are the Patriots Hopefully the Patriots rule has finally ended, but even with the drop off expected this team has falling to a 9 win team. I guess it’s not as bad as what has happened to the Falcons and Rams but still, at least the excuse for both the Rams and Falcons is they have some very talented teams to contend with, but the NFC East has been close to horrible. I guess I expected too much.
May 17, 20205 yr 26 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said: Hopefully the Patriots rule has finally ended, but even with the drop off expected this team has falling to a 9 win team. I guess it’s not as bad as what has happened to the Falcons and Rams but still, at least the excuse for both the Rams and Falcons is they have some very talented teams to contend with, but the NFC East has been close to horrible. I guess I expected too much. Now now don't go around expected things. See where it got you in the other thread lol
May 17, 20205 yr 27 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said: Now now don't go around expected things. See where it got you in the other thread lol 😂😂😂
May 17, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, Bwestbrook36 said: Now now don't go around expected things. See where it got you in the other thread lol If I’m being realistic the Eagles over the years other than the SB season that Doug has been HC we have two 9 win seasons and one seven win season so it’s not like they have always been consistently a double digit win team. They haven’t been that since the Reid era.
May 17, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, EazyEaglez said: If I’m being realistic the Eagles over the years other than the SB season that Doug has been HC we have two 9 win seasons and one seven win season so it’s not like they have always been consistently a double digit win team. They haven’t been that since the Reid era. Well I think injuries played a part in them at least not getting to 10 wins. The rest has been bad coaching, development and draft. Not in any particular order. I hate playing the if game because it drives me nuts but, you can pick any one of those issues I mentioned and they are responsible for at least 1 loss. Then again we are mediocre right now because of those issues. Hopefully an injection of youth and finally get some luck with injuries and we can get that extra win or 2
May 17, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, Bwestbrook36 said: Well I think injuries played a part in them at least not getting to 10 wins. The rest has been bad coaching, development and draft. Not in any particular order. I hate playing the if game because it drives me nuts but, you can pick any one of those issues I mentioned and they are responsible for at least 1 loss. Then again we are mediocre right now because of those issues. Hopefully an injection of youth and finally get some luck with injuries and we can get that extra win or 2 Hopefully you’re right, but many of the issues are still here. Same coaches, talent evaluators, and players who have been injured. Sure they have made some additions and tweaks, but the virus means it probably takes longer for all this to jell. Like you mentioned I shouldn’t expect much.
May 17, 20205 yr Just now, EazyEaglez said: Hopefully you’re right, but many of the issues are still here. Same coaches, talent evaluators, and players who have been injured. Sure they have made some additions and tweaks, but the virus means it probably takes longer for all this to jell. Like you mentioned I shouldn’t expect much. I'm still very much behind Doug. I think he costs us games sometimes but, I think he also has a way to get this team to win games they probably shouldn't. When everything is going well Doug really does call a beautiful game. It's those games were things are not going well he starts pulling out the dumb sheet and tries to get a spark with dumb play calls when a simple run or a field goal would of put them in striking distance. That is who he is though and I love him for it more times then not. As for Schwartz? Meh I think he is solid and if they would give him a little bit better players or another impact player he is one of the better defensive coordinators. Even though his scheme can be absolutely maddening. My main issue with both coaches is taking so damn long to get new players involved more or not getting the best out of a player by putting them in a position to play their best.
May 20, 20205 yr injury prone QB not good ... how in the world did Farve and the Mannings do it I wonder ?
May 20, 20205 yr New offensive coaches New conditioning team New medical team Changes in the secondary New backup QB 4 new receivers Wentz health and progress Changes at LB That's a lot of factors, it's really just anyone's guess how this will go. I like Doug as a HC. I have no idea if all this new structure in his coaching staff will work or not, but it definitely shows they want to get creative and do some different things and brought in new outside minds and perspective. I also like that they recognized the issues in conditioning and medical recovery with all the injuries and brought in new leaders for both areas from outside the organization, who had a lot of success and won awards for their achievements at their previous teams.
May 21, 20205 yr I think this is a big year for Doug, if the WR's stay healthy and we still average less than 25 points a game in the regular season, then we have to look at the set up of the offense on a fundamental level, the overwhelming majority of play off teams average over 25 points a game, something like 9 of the last 10 Superbowl winners average over 24 points a game, Doug has managed to break 24 points a game twice in four years and 25 once (when we won the big one), we barely broke 24 last year thanks to a flattering stretch against dross. This year (thanks largely to being in the worst division in football last year) we have the 25th strongest schedule (the rest of our division is below us) but our out of division schedule looks brutal. The offense has to be better, especially against contending teams, last year we had a stellar performance in Green Bay against 2 absolute stinkers against New England and Seattle, that can't happen if we want to contend. It's time for Doug (and for that matter Wentz) to show that 2017 wasn't just a flash in the pan. So yeah to answer the question, the thing that's missing is consistent offensive performance and if it isn't there again next year then there has to be a root and branch evaluation of where the team is at, in terms of roster, coaching and front office, because to go from 2017 to where we are now has been utterly depressing.
May 21, 20205 yr On 5/16/2020 at 4:44 PM, DeathByEagle said: If people are honest, then you can admit only a very few amount of people thought the 2017 team had a chance at the SB before the season started. Most of them were drinking the Ike Juice and said it every year, lol. Point is you need to wait till about mid season to really know if a team has a shot or not. Teams can go from worst to first. So called top teams can turn to crap quick. After the Panthers game was when I knew they were legit.
May 21, 20205 yr In 2017 we just got unbelievably lucky. Wentz was incredible. Every mid tier free agent we signed off the streets fit in perfectly. Robinson, Blount, Smith, Long, Foles there was virtually zero demand for any of those guys in free agency. Howie hit the jackpot. the problem is that’s a really hard way to build a consistent contending championship team. Our drafting is just flat out not good enough. Our trades went from getting undervalued gems like Jernigan and Darby and Ajayi, to the likes of Genard Avery and Duke Riley. Howie has to prove he wasn’t a one year wonder. It’s hard to look at this roster and see any better than another slightly above average 9-7-ish team. There are still so many worrisome positions.
May 21, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, Swimm said: After the Panthers game was when I knew they were legit. I agree there. I went to NC for that game with my tailgate crew. That game was the point where I thought they could win it all. Before the season however I was with 99% of the rest of the Eagles fans thinking we would be lucky just to make the playoffs.
May 21, 20205 yr On 5/16/2020 at 4:44 PM, DeathByEagle said: If people are honest, then you can admit only a very few amount of people thought the 2017 team had a chance at the SB before the season started. Most of them were drinking the Ike Juice and said it every year, lol. Point is you need to wait till about mid season to really know if a team has a shot or not. Teams can go from worst to first. So called top teams can turn to crap quick. I wasn't expected a SB win, but i was def hyped going into 2017 2016 had flashes of greatness And i knew the WR situation was a lot better going into 2017 vs 2016 I was fully expecting them to be a play off team pre season After we beat Carolina to go 5-1 i thought we had something, but was skeptical. BUT we kept winning...by time we lost to Seattle i was already convinced we were SB contenders
May 21, 20205 yr Author On 5/20/2020 at 12:10 PM, NOTW said: New offensive coaches New conditioning team New medical team Changes in the secondary New backup QB 4 new receivers Wentz health and progress Changes at LB That's a lot of factors, it's really just anyone's guess how this will go. I like Doug as a HC. I have no idea if all this new structure in his coaching staff will work or not, but it definitely shows they want to get creative and do some different things and brought in new outside minds and perspective. I also like that they recognized the issues in conditioning and medical recovery with all the injuries and brought in new leaders for both areas from outside the organization, who had a lot of success and won awards for their achievements at their previous teams. Not really major factors other than Wentzs health and you could say that about any contending team. I think we are in great shape to contend by having excellent players at most positions that matter and a strong experienced coaching staff. OFFENSE QB - Wentz is great in the red zone and on third down. With decent receivers is top 5 imo. RB, TE, OL are all very strong. The weakest links on O and WR and the only two non starters from last year have our last two 1st rounders taking those positions. Coaching staff largely the same (Pederson was the oc last year). There aren't many holes or question marks other than depth. This is definitely a good enough O to win it all. DEFENSE Dline is excellent (love Hargrave) and imo is one killer DE away from being a terror. (Pls trade for YN) LB is the weakest group on the team but they seem to like Edwards and Gerry is just OK. Maybe we get lucky with one of the rooks. Cb - Adding Slay is HUGE. Adding Robey as the slot is also big. Jones or Maddox need to step up but can get help as the other two should be good. S- McLeod is solid and who knows about Mills or Wallace but they should be able to cover rb and TE's. Solid experienced coaching staff but imo only a top DE away from being really good.
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