5 hours ago, Dave Moss said:

The effectiveness of the Israel lobby and the ineffectiveness of the Palestinian lobby is the difference here.  Support for Israel is one of the few commonalities between the two political parties in the U.S.

Moronic nonsense 

 

 

Too bad the morons didnt go under the tires

21 hours ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

If they're not already there, they're getting uncomfortably close to war crimes territory

Which one? And do those war laws also apply to the Palestinians?

1 hour ago, TEW said:

The truth is it's been changing hands since before the Roman Empire. Basically, everyone has a "claim" and it's a situation of might makes right.

All I can read and find is in 1948 the Palestine group didn't agree to the land territory and its basically up for grabs 

5 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

All I can read and find is in 1948 the Palestine group didn't agree to the land territory and its basically up for grabs 

They didn’t agree to giving their land away? I’m shocked.

25 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

Which one? And do those war laws also apply to the Palestinians?

 

If Hamas was, indeed, using the building, it is a legitimate target. If not, then it is a potentially illegal act of war. Those policies apply to all combatants who are parties to the covenants establishing them at the UN, Geneva, Hague, etc. Obviously you wouldn't expect terrorists to abide by them.

4 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

If Hamas was, indeed, using the building, it is a legitimate target. If not, then it is a potentially illegal act of war. Those policies apply all combatants who are parties to the coventants establishing them at the UN, Geneva, Hague, etc. Obviously you wouldn't expect terrorists to abide by them.

I see. So the Palestinians are not a legitimate nation-state with a recognized government. 

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

Moronic nonsense 

He's largely right on this. AIPAC is, by far, the most powerful lobby in DC.

Of course Israel has been one of the few westernized countries in the ME, so they've been a strategic partner out of necessity, but the bi-partisan support and ability to get away with pretty much anything they want without any pushback from DC comes down to their enormously disproportionate lobbying influence.

5 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

I see. So the Palestinians are not a legitimate nation-state with a recognized government. 

???

Isnt Dave Moss the terrorist sympathizer?  Thats all you need to know

Hamas = terrorists

 

Its as simple as that.  Full stop.

25 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

If Hamas was, indeed, using the building, it is a legitimate target. If not, then it is a potentially illegal act of war. Those policies apply to all combatants who are parties to the covenants establishing them at the UN, Geneva, Hague, etc. Obviously you wouldn't expect terrorists to abide by them.

I mean they are cowards who hide with woman and kids so wouldn't surprise me. 

4 hours ago, DaEagles4Life said:

So who's land is this? I am reading articles dating back to the Ottoman Empire and the British gave the land to the Jewish people. Is this true or what is the truth?

There's no clear answer to this question. And it doesn't really matter, because we are already there. To my opinion, the best explanation was presented by Ze'ev Jabotinsky in 1923. It's a good read, regardless if you agree with him or not: 

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/quot-the-iron-wall-quot

16 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Isnt Dave Moss the terrorist sympathizer?  Thats all you need to know

No, I opposed the January 6th coup. 

 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, ilross2003 said:

There's no clear answer to this question. And it doesn't really matter, because we are already there. To my opinion, the best explanation was presented by Ze'ev Jabotinsky in 1923. It's a good read, regardless if you agree with him or not: 

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/quot-the-iron-wall-quot

It matters when the people who think you shouldn't be there decide to act on that notion. Surely, as a Jew, you can understand the gravity of this concept?

1 hour ago, TEW said:

It matters when the people who think you shouldn't be there decide to act on that notion. Surely, as a Jew, you can understand the gravity of this concept?

Goes to legitimacy

hamas has none. No standing

11 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Goes to legitimacy

hamas has none. No standing

Can you show me this? 

1 minute ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Can you show me this? 

Is Hamas regarded as a terrorist organization?

2 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Is Hamas regarded as a terrorist organization?

Thought you were talking about whose land it is

Brits owned it no? Gave it to israel yes?

now we can debate future state but as the palestinians have chosen to employ terrorism after losing the war, personally i think israel should be allowed to push them into the ocean  and take over gaza

8 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Brits owned it no? Gave it to israel yes?

now we can debate future state but as the palestinians have chosen to employ terrorism after losing the war, personally i think israel should be allowed to push them into the ocean  and take over gaza

Britain and France took it over after the Ottoman Empire was liquidated at the end of World War I.  Israel was created in a UN resolution 30 years later.  But people were already living there.  That seems to be the part you’re missing.

 

2 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Britain and France took it over after the Ottoman Empire was liquidated at the end of World War I.  Israel was created in a UN resolution 30 years later.  But people were already living there.  That seems to be the part you’re missing.

 

Illegals live in the US too. That doesnt make it their country.

i could work and live in Switzerland. But that would never make me swiss

1 minute ago, ToastJenkins said:

Illegals live in the US too. That doesnt make it their country.

i could work and live in Switzerland. But that would never make me swiss

The only reason the European powers and U.S. created Israel was because Europeans kept murdering Jews.  Fwiw

49 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

The only reason the European powers and U.S. created Israel was because Europeans kept murdering Jews.  Fwiw

But... weren’t the Europeans in Europe first? So like the Palestinians, they were just protecting their land by your logic.

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

Goes to legitimacy

hamas has none. No standing

Well of course Hamas has no political legitimacy.