May 17, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, TEW said: But... weren’t the Europeans in Europe first? So like the Palestinians, they were just protecting their land by your logic. Jews lived in Europe for hundreds of years before nation-states existed and subsequently tried to ban then.
May 17, 20214 yr 8 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Ah, good 'ol Longshanks—the detestable despot of Braveheart.
May 17, 20214 yr 9 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Ah, good 'ol Longshanks—the detestable despot of Braveheart. Me walking into every store without a mask on
May 17, 20214 yr 30 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Jews lived in Europe for hundreds of years before nation-states existed and subsequently tried to ban then. Palestine wasn't a nation-state prior to 1948. By your logic, the Palestinians have nothing to complain about because they weren't a nation state.
May 17, 20214 yr Just now, TEW said: Palestine wasn't a nation-state prior to 1948. By your logic, the Palestinians have nothing to complain about because they weren't a nation state. Palestine isn’t a nation-state in 2021 either.
May 17, 20214 yr 10 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Palestine isn’t a nation-state in 2021 either. Right. The Jews showed up to a land that wasn't a nation state. In fact, Palestine is and was less of a nation state than, say, the Roman Empire, or any of the subsequent kingdoms of Europe. So then the locals have no complaint to be made, right?
May 17, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, TEW said: Right. The Jews showed up to a land that wasn't a nation state. In fact, it Palestine is and was less of a nation state than, say, the Roman Empire, or any of the subsequent kingdoms of Europe. So then the locals have no complaint to be made, right? Well, empires aren’t nation-states. Palestine between 1918 and the 1940s was part of the British Empire just like India, Pakistan, Malaysia, Singapore, etc. Do the people in those places have the right to be there?
May 17, 20214 yr 7 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Well, empires aren’t nation-states. Palestine between 1918 and the 1940s was part of the British Empire just like India, Pakistan, Malaysia, Singapore, etc. Do the people in those places have the right to be there? The right? They have whatever "rights" the empire grants them.
May 17, 20214 yr About the AP being ignorant of Hamas operations in and around the former building housing their bureau. From a 2014 article in The Atlantic https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/11/how-the-media-makes-the-israel-story/383262/ When Hamas’s leaders surveyed their assets before this summer’s round of fighting, they knew that among those assets was the international press. The AP staff in Gaza City would witness a rocket launch right beside their office, endangering reporters and other civilians nearby—and the AP wouldn’t report it, not even in AP articlesabout Israeli claims that Hamas was launching rockets from residential areas. (This happened.) Hamas fighters would burst into the AP’s Gaza bureau and threaten the staff—and the AP wouldn’t report it. (This also happened.) Cameramen waiting outside Shifa Hospital in Gaza City would film the arrival of civilian casualties and then, at a signal from an official, turn off their cameras when wounded and dead fighters came in, helping Hamas maintain the illusion that only civilians were dying. (This too happened; the information comes from multiple sources with firsthand knowledge of these incidents.) Colford, the AP spokesman, confirmed that armed militants entered the AP’s Gaza office in the early days of the war to complain about a photo showing the location of a rocket launch, though he said that Hamas claimed that the men "did not represent the group.” The AP "does not report many interactions with militias, armies, thugs or governments,” he wrote. "These incidents are part of the challenge of getting out the news—and not themselves news.”
May 17, 20214 yr 9 minutes ago, The_Omega said: About the AP being ignorant of Hamas operations in and around the former building housing their bureau. From a 2014 article in The Atlantic https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/11/how-the-media-makes-the-israel-story/383262/
May 17, 20214 yr Lol Dave Moss still has some hope that his ridiculous backasswards world view is still true. Face it, youre dead wrong yet again for supporting terrorists A pattern, almost ...
May 17, 20214 yr So what are the Hama sympathizers going with now? That blood thirsty Israel was hell bent on blowing up the AP building for no reason, but at the same time was nice enough to give them advanced warning so they could evacuate the building?
May 17, 20214 yr 39 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Lol Dave Moss still has some hope that his ridiculous backasswards world view is still true. Face it, youre dead wrong yet again for supporting terrorists A pattern, almost ... If I supported the terrorists who attacked the Capitol building then you would be giving me an "atta boy” though, right?
May 17, 20214 yr 14 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: If I supported the terrorists who attacked the Capitol building then you would be giving me an "atta boy” though, right? Yeah this the exact same thing, totally relevant and congruous and your logic is unassailable as usual
May 17, 20214 yr 34 minutes ago, Gannan said: So what are the Hama sympathizers going with now? That blood thirsty Israel was hell bent on blowing up the AP building for no reason, but at the same time was nice enough to give them advanced warning so they could evacuate the building? I mean yeah pretty much. It’s not a military target. It was a political one.
May 17, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Yeah this the exact same thing, totally relevant and congruous and your logic is unassailable as usual Yeah, one side is trying to fight back against their homes being taken and the other was upset about losing an election.
May 17, 20214 yr I cannot find I support either side. I have sympathy for the Palestinian civilians being forced from their homes. Then Hamas retaliates with rockets, and Israel fights them right back... I do not support the attacks. Each side is escalating the violence. Silence from USA officials is consent to Israel's actions.
May 17, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, toolg said: I cannot find I support either side. I have sympathy for the Palestinian civilians being forced from their homes. Then Hamas retaliates with rockets, and Israel fights them right back... I do not support the attacks. Each side is escalating the violence. Silence from USA officials is consent to Israel's actions. Not exactly silence fwiw
May 17, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Yeah, one side is trying to fight back against their homes being taken and the other was upset about losing an election. Crazy how war works Maybe they shouldnt have elected terrorists to lead their nation? You want Israel to negotiate with terrorists who are hellbent on eradicating them. That seems counterproductive. At some point the only answer to terrorism is some missiles, enjoy, terrorists!
May 17, 20214 yr Just now, Mike31mt said: Crazy how war works Maybe they shouldnt have elected terrorists to lead their nation? You want Israel to negotiate with terrorists who are hellbent on eradicating them. That seems counterproductive. At some point the only answer to terrorism is some missiles, enjoy, terrorists! They’re only referred to as "terrorists” because there’s no organized military on the Palestinian side. And they’re fighting against a military that receives millions of dollars in military aid from the U.S.
May 17, 20214 yr 8 minutes ago, toolg said: I cannot find I support either side. I have sympathy for the Palestinian civilians being forced from their homes. Then Hamas retaliates with rockets, and Israel fights them right back... I do not support the attacks. Each side is escalating the violence. Silence from USA officials is consent to Israel's actions. Unfortunately citizens have to deal with the consequences of their elections. While us normies didn't vote for Trump, we as Americans were lumped in with the morons who did. Same goes for the Palestinians who have consistently voted to have terrorists lead them.
May 17, 20214 yr 4 more years of jared kushner and all this would've been straightened out...but nooooooo....they had to rig the election for biden.
May 17, 20214 yr 6 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: They’re only referred to as "terrorists” because there’s no organized military on the Palestinian side. And they’re fighting against a military that receives millions of dollars in military aid from the U.S. No, they are a terrorist organization. https://www.state.gov/foreign-terrorist-organizations/
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