May 18, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, ilross2003 said: That's correct. See, I am pretty sure than nobody gives away 3.1 billion only because he likes to do that. There must be interests, and pretty strong ones. What interests? We can only speculate... The Zionist lobby and the power of evangelicals who believe that mid-east conflict will lead to the apocalypse and the Second Coming. That’s pretty much it.
May 18, 20214 yr 35 minutes ago, Bill said: The Zionist lobby and the power of evangelicals who believe that mid-east conflict will lead to the apocalypse and the Second Coming. That’s pretty much it. No, that's not "it". It surely helps, but this is not the main reason. The main reason is the economical significance of the Middle East area. One of the main goals of the US foreign policy is to ensure the economical stability. In the Middle East this stability depends on the balance of powers. To keep this balance US gives Israel the above mentioned aid. Without this aid, that ensures our military superiority, our neighbors may again attempt to exterminate us, like they were trying for years. You may say: "Very well, why not? No more aid to give!". That's not that simple. If we will lose our ability to defend ourselves with a conventional weapons, the only remaining alternative for us would be to nuke the Middle East. I suppose, nobody in this world would prefer this kind of development.
May 18, 20214 yr 25 minutes ago, ilross2003 said: No, that's not "it". It surely helps, but this is not the main reason. The main reason is the economical significance of the Middle East area. One of the main goals of the US foreign policy is to ensure the economical stability. In the Middle East this stability depends on the balance of powers. To keep this balance US gives Israel the above mentioned aid. Without this aid, that ensures our military superiority, our neighbors may again attempt to exterminate us, like they were trying for years. You may say: "Very well, why not? No more aid to give!". That's not that simple. If we will lose our ability to defend ourselves with a conventional weapons, the only remaining alternative for us would be to nuke the Middle East. I suppose, nobody in this world would prefer this kind of development. Uh no. The security of Israel has nothing to do with US economic interests. The only reason we gave aid was because of domestic lobbying power. The very secondary excuse was to counter Soviet influence in the ME. Israel could be wiped off the map tomorrow and the price of my gas won’t go up, which is the only economic reason for us to be in the ME.
May 18, 20214 yr 40 minutes ago, ilross2003 said: If we will lose our ability to defend ourselves with a conventional weapons, the only remaining alternative for us would be to nuke the Middle East. I suppose, nobody in this world would prefer this kind of development. This is interesting, because just a few pages back, I was arguing with a poster who seems to think that fear of nuclear war in the M.E. is "moronic nonsense," because it would be self-defeating for Israel to deploy a nuke within its own region. There's logic to this argument, but you can't always expect the actors to be rational in an all-out war. You seem to be indicating that the nuclear threat does exist.
May 18, 20214 yr 15 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: This is interesting, because just a few pages back, I was arguing with a poster who seems to think that fear of nuclear war in the M.E. is "moronic nonsense," because it would be self-defeating for Israel to deploy a nuke within its own region. There's logic to this argument, but you can't always expect the actors to be rational in an all-out war. You seem to be indicating that the nuclear threat does exist. no its still nonsense.
May 18, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said: Hopefully Hamas gave them a warning That building appears to be under construction.
May 18, 20214 yr do we know what rockets are they firing exactly? assuming russian, but that impact seems relatively small, no?
May 18, 20214 yr 11 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said: do we know what rockets are they firing exactly? assuming russian, but that impact seems relatively small, no? What I could find and not surprisingly who their supplier is: Reports estimate that the main short-range Hamas rocket called the Qassam costs anywhere from $300 to $800 each. There is much less public information about the cost of Hamas’s longer-range rockets such as the R-160, M-302D, M302-B, J-80, M-75, Fajr-3, Fajr-5 and a second-generation M-75. TAL INBAR, former head of the Fisher Institute’s space research center, estimates their cost to be in the low thousands of dollars per rocket – or two to three times more than the shorter-range ones. This is still nowhere near the cost of Iron Dome’s interceptors – estimated to be between $50,000 and $100,000 each. Interestingly, Inbar said that a significant part of the cost was less the cheap materials and manufacturing, but the costs of smuggling certain items from the Sinai, Sudan and other places for rockets which cannot be made locally. He added that Hamas does not have cyber capabilities to steal funds electronically like North Korea, or other sources of income like Hezbollah. However, both Inbar and Rubin said that Iran delivers or pays for nearly all the rockets, meaning that it doesn’t really cost Hamas anything to replenish its arsenal. Inbar noted a statement by Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah in December 2020 when he said: "Most of the weapons, missiles and facilities that Palestinian resistance groups have in Gaza are supplied by Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps’ Quds Force. The Islamic Republic used its diplomatic relationship with Sudan to establish a weapon factory for Gaza in Sudan.” https://www.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/how-much-does-hamass-rocket-arsenal-cost-668317
May 18, 20214 yr kinda surprised Israel wouldnt hit those Sudan locations. might be too small and mobile to target?
May 18, 20214 yr Whatever happened to Hezbollah? They used to always be mentioned in the same breath with Hamas. Now you hardly ever hear about them.
May 18, 20214 yr 15 hours ago, TEW said: Let’s be clear: the Palestinians were there first and religion has nothing to do with it. Well there was no such thing as Palestinians in 600 AD. or in 1948, Nice try.
May 18, 20214 yr On 5/16/2021 at 11:33 PM, TEW said: Right. The Jews showed up to a land that wasn't a nation state. In fact, Palestine is and was less of a nation state than, say, the Roman Empire, or any of the subsequent kingdoms of Europe. So then the locals have no complaint to be made, right? So by that logic, anyone who controls the land, is entitled to the land, until some one else defeats them. So, I take it, you support Manifest Destiny and the control of the land away from the Indians.
May 18, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, Dave Moss said: Anyone that questions why Palestinians are evicted from their homes and why they live in camps like refugees is considered anti-Israel. Being evicted from your home isn't justification for indiscriminately firing at civilians. Why so many on the left give the Palestinians an absolute free pass for this is somewhat baffling. The best I can come up with is...
May 18, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, Gannan said: Being evicted from your home isn't justification for indiscriminately firing at civilians. Why so many on the left give the Palestinians an absolute free pass for this is somewhat baffling. The best I can come up with is... Left for some strange reason wants to appease Islam and Muslims.
May 18, 20214 yr On 5/16/2021 at 10:46 PM, Dave Moss said: In 1948, Trans Jordan evicted all Jews from Jerusalem. Palestinians then flooded the city and moved into the homes that Jews were evicted from. The Current property dispute that is part of the current conflict deals with the Title Holders to certain property that Jews purchased during the Ottoman Empire in 1875. The Legal Title holders want their property back. They filed their claim in Court. The Court applied the law. They tenants lease was up or the were not paying rent and are being evicted by the Legal Process. It only involves 4 homes. No so called Palestinian with legal title is being evicted. Only those without evidence of Legal Title are being evicted. Hamas response was to launch rockets at Israel because the Legal Title Holders want their property back.
May 18, 20214 yr 16 minutes ago, Gannan said: Being evicted from your home isn't justification for indiscriminately firing at civilians. Why so many on the left give the Palestinians an absolute free pass for this is somewhat baffling. The best I can come up with is... There's definitely some of this, but I think it's inaccurate to lump all Palestinians in with Hamas.
May 18, 20214 yr News Flash: The Artic is Russia's Land. Looks like the Cold War is heating up, again. https://www.yahoo.com/news/land-russia-warns-west-against-173015235.html It has been absolutely clear for everyone for a long time that this is our territory, this is our land,” Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said at a press conference in Moscow on Monday. "We are responsible for ensuring our Arctic coast is safe,” he said. "Let me emphasize once again: this is our land and our waters.”
May 18, 20214 yr 27 minutes ago, Gannan said: Being evicted from your home isn't justification for indiscriminately firing at civilians. Why so many on the left give the Palestinians an absolute free pass for this is somewhat baffling. The best I can come up with is... I don’t get what you’re arguing. You think they’re going to go head-to-head with Israeli tanks or something?
May 18, 20214 yr 34 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: There's definitely some of this, but I think it's inaccurate to lump all Palestinians in with Hamas. The Palestinians consistently vote for Hamas to lead them.
May 18, 20214 yr 25 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: I don’t get what you’re arguing. You think they’re going to go head-to-head with Israeli tanks or something? What am I arguing? I think Rowdy Roddy Piper said it best...
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