May 20, 20214 yr 11 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said: you need to stop pretending you understand why people think what they do I mean, it's not as if they're shy about it. I don't have to pretend anything. It's in their stated belief structure.
May 20, 20214 yr 9 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said: i think its a combination of Hamas' propaganda and the fear that Hamas would kill them if they voted against them. Yes, I agree. This absolutely can be the reason. Gaza is pretty totalitarian entity right now.
May 20, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, ilross2003 said: It is weird, I agree. I suppose that in our case we seek for any kind of support. I think those guys are extremely loyal, due to their strong religious commitment (until the Second Coming at least). After the Second Coming though... But I'll take my chances 🙂 Yeah, I'm not making a judgement here, I just think it's weird. I guess you take support where you can get it and since Jewish people obviously don't believe what the Evangelicals do, there's no harm in it. And of course, that Evangelical support is 100% why you saw Trump respond to Israel the way he did. Keeping Jewish people in Israel is extremely important to his coalition.
May 20, 20214 yr 50 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: I'd get the hell out of dodge and head west. Linked metaphors? What is this, "Before & After" on Jeopardy!? 🤓
May 20, 20214 yr 5 hours ago, ilross2003 said: I understand your position. I just want to raise another perspective. There’s no doubt that any kind of intentional killing of an unarmed people is a terrible crime. Still, in any war there are situations that may very well look like war crimes (and maybe they are) but in reality it is much more complicated. Suppose you are a squad leader. Your squad has engaged with an enemy and lost two men, guys that you have just eaten breakfast with them this morning. Your enemies are hiding in the civilian’s house. What’s your decision? Do you enter the house risking your life and lives of your friends but save the civilians? Or do you blow up the house killing your enemies with the civilians inside, but your friends are safe? Of course, if you do the latest – you will be presented as war criminal, because the media shows only the results, they don’t care about the staff you went through. What would you do? Or you are a military pilot. You see the enemy that is prepared to launch a rocket targeting your civilians. There are some kids near enemy’s location. What do you do? Do you hit the enemy with high risk of those children being killed or do you abort and there is a risk that the rocket may kill some children on your side? Your children or theirs? Terrible, unfair question… But this is a reality. Not only in our conflict, in any war. If your own house (God forbid) is under consistent fire, would you prefer your government to be engaged in the long campaign, minimizing the civilian casualties on the opposite side but risking your life on a daily basis, or would you prefer to wipe out the opponent with all his population in one day while securing your own family? Well maybe if the country I was fighting for wasn’t systematically removing people from their homes and treating them like ish I wouldn’t have to call in a fire mission on civvies.
May 20, 20214 yr 7 hours ago, ilross2003 said: I see that Trump is not the most liked person here. I certainly do not have enough knowledge about his presidency, except about his Israeli Policies. I haven't read enough about it to form my own opinion. I'd be very interested to learn about his presidency from the perspective of the US citizens. What were his most glaring issues? Which positives did he have? Are you kidding? Best president evar!! He was a very stable genius.
May 21, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, VanHammersly said: Wow! Biden did it! Thank you, strong leader! Someone must be out of Rockets and low on food and gas.
May 21, 20214 yr 4 hours ago, DaEagles4Life said: Someone must be out of Rockets and low on food and gas. Yep. Obviously, to complete the stock of rockets will be their first priority...
May 21, 20214 yr 14 hours ago, VanHammersly said: Wow! Biden did it! Thank you, strong leader! Even the Biden voters know what a joke he is Taking right after Obama's feckless foreign relations policies
May 21, 20214 yr Exactly what Hamas wanted, sympathizers Hamas terror chief Ismail Haniyeh hails Hamas’s "victory” in the recent hostilities with Israel, saying it will have a wide impact in the region’s relationship with the Jewish state. "We have destroyed the project of ‘coexistence’ with Israel, of ‘normalization’ with Israel,” Haniyeh says. The terror group leader promises that Hamas will enjoy growing regional support following the 11-day conflict. "What is coming after this battle is not what came before it…you will yet see many [diplomatic] contacts and successes,” Haniyeh says. "We have seen how our nation awoke…to stand behind Jerualem, Palestine and resistance.”
May 21, 20214 yr 5 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said: Exactly what Hamas wanted, sympathizers Hamas terror chief Ismail Haniyeh hails Hamas’s "victory” in the recent hostilities with Israel, saying it will have a wide impact in the region’s relationship with the Jewish state. "We have destroyed the project of ‘coexistence’ with Israel, of ‘normalization’ with Israel,” Haniyeh says. The terror group leader promises that Hamas will enjoy growing regional support following the 11-day conflict. "What is coming after this battle is not what came before it…you will yet see many [diplomatic] contacts and successes,” Haniyeh says. "We have seen how our nation awoke…to stand behind Jerualem, Palestine and resistance.” Lol, this is how terrorists operate. They spin everything as a "win."
May 21, 20214 yr Hamas Goal."We have destroyed the project of ‘coexistence’ with Israel, of ‘normalization’ with Israel,” This is the sole reason why they rejected a State of their own in 1948, 2000 and 2008. They don't want a State of Their own, they want all of Israel. This is why there will never be peace until Hamas is eradicated.
May 21, 20214 yr 10 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: Hamas Goal."We have destroyed the project of ‘coexistence’ with Israel, of ‘normalization’ with Israel,” This is the sole reason why they rejected a State of their own in 1948, 2000 and 2008. They don't want a State of Their own, they want all of Israel. This is why there will never be peace until Hamas is eradicated. FYP
May 21, 20214 yr 5 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: FYP Right, so time to turn Gaza into a Parking Lot. I would send in commandos and blow open the gate to Egypt and let them all flood into the Saini and let Egypt deal with them. 21 hours ago, VanHammersly said: Wow! Biden did it! Thank you, strong leader! Yes he is.
May 21, 20214 yr Just now, jsdarkstar said: Right, so time to turn Gaza into a Parking Lot. I would send in commandos and blow open the gate to Egypt and let them all flood into the Saini and let Egypt deal with them. Yes he is. Whatever happens, happens, but know that there still won't be peace after that.
May 21, 20214 yr Nothing to see here Haniyeh concluded his speech by thanking "the Islamic Republic of Iran; who did not hold back with money, weapons and technical support" and by suggesting that others will soon join. "We will use the aid of other Arab countries as well." https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/hamas-haniyeh-vows-to-destabilize-jerusalem-thanks-iran-for-support-668791
May 23, 20214 yr The Israel Defense Forces reported that over a period of 10 days, Hamas and other Palestinian militant forces in Gaza have fired 4,000 Qassam rockets at Israel. For comparison, over the course of the intense 50-day conflict in 2014, 4,881 rockets were fired, according to UN investigators. The IDF said the Iron Dome has successfully intercepted roughly 90% of the incoming rockets considered potential threats. https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-iron-dome-tested-by-intense-rocket-fire-other-threats-2021-5
May 24, 20214 yr On 5/21/2021 at 10:04 PM, jsdarkstar said: Hamas Goal."We have destroyed the project of ‘coexistence’ with Israel, of ‘normalization’ with Israel,” This is the sole reason why they rejected a State of their own in 1948, 2000 and 2008. They don't want a State of Their own, they want all of Israel. This is why there will never be peace until Hamas is eradicated. Absolutely. "The Jewish leadership has always agreed to compromise, agreeing to partition the land and give up land for peace, according to international plans which included the Peel Commission in 1937, Un Resolution 181 in 1947, all the way to the Oslo Accords in 1993. In Camp David in 2000, then Prime Minister Ehud Barak offered Yasser Arafat almost all the land, including half of Jerusalem, but was turned down. In 2008, Then Prime Minister Ehud Olmert made an even better offer to Mahmoud Abbas, but he also refused". http://www.mythsandfacts.org/Conflict/6/Rejectionism.htm On 5/21/2021 at 10:14 PM, VanHammersly said: FYP On 5/21/2021 at 10:22 PM, VanHammersly said: Whatever happens, happens, but know that there still won't be peace after that. As we can see above, not only Hamas, but any kind of Palestinian representatives are continuously rejecting any kind of "two states" concept. So you may very well be right about "that there still won't be peace" even if/when Hamas goes down.
May 24, 20214 yr On 5/21/2021 at 10:21 PM, jsdarkstar said: Right, so time to turn Gaza into a Parking Lot. I would send in commandos and blow open the gate to Egypt and let them all flood into the Saini and let Egypt deal with them. The last thing Egyptians want is to deal with the Palestinians. Actually, after the Black September events in Jordan, which country would want to deal with them?
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