9 minutes ago, paco said:

Like Dr Phillys mom

She’s there with you out in the cemetery by the little league field so guess you’d know. 

1 minute ago, DrPhilly said:

She’s there with you out in the cemetery by the little league field so guess you’d know. 

That’s dark af

RIP Mrs. Philly

I think our founding fathers emphasized the right to free speech with the freedom to criticize our own government in mind, and rightfully so. They wanted to prevent a government controlled message that wouldn’t allow the voice of the people to be heard.

Hate speech changes the narrative, in my opinion. Our founding fathers couldn’t have imagined internet based social networking in the 1700’s. Whether you hate whitey, blacks, browns, yellows or different religions too many echo chambers filled with hate speech lead to violence. Do we wait for violence to occur before something is done that could have prevented it? 

8 minutes ago, MidMoFo said:

I think our founding fathers emphasized the right to free speech with the freedom to criticize our own government in mind, and rightfully so. They wanted to prevent a government controlled message that wouldn’t allow the voice of the people to be heard.

Hate speech changes the narrative, in my opinion. Our founding fathers couldn’t have imagined internet based social networking in the 1700’s. Whether you hate whitey, blacks, browns, yellows or different religions too many echo chambers filled with hate speech lead to violence. Do we wait for violence to occur before something is done that could have prevented it? 

The NSDAPs / Holocaust showed the dangerous place it can go.  Between 1933 and 1939 it was just "talk.”  After Operation Barbarossa it shifted from violent rhetoric to extermination camps.

Btw, two books I recommend are Saul Friedlander’s Years of Persecution and Saul Friedlander’s Years of Extermination.

I mean, if you’re into that stuff. 

16 minutes ago, Toty said:

I was trying to rank them in hit order but I can't really tell them apart.

I guess out of all of them, Red Shorts most ferments my kimchi if you know what I mean (don't worry, neither do I).

I can’t say why but the one in pink delivers the soju for my taste. 

4 hours ago, Toty said:

Can you define "hate speech" in a politically, ideologically, and demographically neutral way?

In other words, is it hate speech to state a controversial and hurtful opinion like "mammalian species have male and female genders characterized by differing gametes" but not hate speech to say something clearly benign like "I hate white men"?

 

What’s the crime in making either of those statements? I say none until someone mentally unstable falls into the hate group, becoming radicalized and then acts upon it with violence. But then it’s too late for the victim.

 

So here is a clip about the real danger with the changes in the ACLU.  Listen to Ira lay it out in about a four minute stretch.  I've clipped in with the start point for you.

42 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

 

So here is a clip about the real danger with the changes in the ACLU.  Listen to Ira lay it out in about a four minute stretch.  I've clipped in with the start point for you.

 

Then don’t give them money. 

Remember "Hate speech is free speech?"

 

 

Everything I’ve seen lately from the ACLU is focused on voting rights. I’ve actually seen very little on free speech in general.

1 hour ago, Toty said:

That's generous but it won't matter 

Listen to how right wing Ira Glasser sounds in this... he might as well just start goose-stepping across the stage.

Moss thinks your post is serious, again

7 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Everything I’ve seen lately from the ACLU is focused on voting rights. I’ve actually seen very little on free speech in general.

How about you listen to what the former ACLU head says about their recent positioning on free speech? You are ok to listen to an old Jewish guy talk about an important US guard rail, right?

17 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

Remember "Hate speech is free speech?"

 

 

Did you watch the vid? Can you define hate speech? Who gets to define it?

We have a law against hate speech over here. It turns out to be near impossible to use it because it can’t be  successfully defined. 

18 hours ago, Toty said:

I was trying to rank them in hit order but I can't really tell them apart.

I guess out of all of them, Red Shorts most ferments my kimchi if you know what I mean (don't worry, neither do I).

Use the colors 

 

baby blue, red, pink, yellow, blue

12 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

How about you listen to what the former ACLU head says about their recent positioning on free speech? You are ok to listen to an old Jewish guy talk about an important US guard rail, right?

So you’re worried that no one is defending the free-speech rights of white supremacists because the ACLU isn’t doing it?

8 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

So you’re worried that no one is defending the free-speech rights of white supremacists because the ACLU isn’t doing it?

There you go again Dave. Why do you have such a hard time with simple basic principles? I suppose it is time to roll out Eleanor Roosevelt again. 

4 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

There you go again Dave. Why do you have such a hard time with simple basic principles? I suppose it is time to roll out Eleanor Roosevelt again. 

I think you’re totally misreading the political situation in the US once again. White supremacists have plenty of defenders.  They don’t need the ACLU.

In fact I would guess part of the reason the ACLU doesn’t defend them is because they don’t want the ACLU to defend them.

Just now, Dave Moss said:

I think you’re totally misreading the political situation in the US once again. White supremacists have plenty of defenders.  They don’t need the ACLU.

I haven’t said one word about white supremacists you pin head. 

Just now, DrPhilly said:

I haven’t said one word about white supremacists you pin head. 

Why do you think Bill Maher brought up the NSDAPs in Skokie Illinois?

19 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Why do you think Bill Maher brought up the NSDAPs in Skokie Illinois?

Obviously I know the answer to that question but you most certainly do not.  Eleanor is spot on.

1 hour ago, DrPhilly said:

Obviously I know the answer to that question but you most certainly do not.  Eleanor is spot on.

Well I think Mary Todd Lincoln is spot on.

4 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

Did you watch the vid? Can you define hate speech? Who gets to define it?

We have a law against hate speech over here. It turns out to be near impossible to use it because it can’t be  successfully defined. 

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

The bolded part tells me free speech is protected for citizens with "grievances” against the government, but not necessarily citizens attacking other citizens. The government has a responsibility to protect all citizens. I agree that words are just words, no matter how hate-filled they are, and the KKK has just as much right to march down the street as christians do to have a Christmas parade.
 

When a member of an organization becomes radicalized by the beliefs of an organization and then acts out in violence, the influencers of that violence and organization should no longer be protected by the first amendment and be held accountable.

List of current suits filed by ACLC.  There are 14 listed on 1st page.  7 of these are LGBTQ issues.  Didn’t see any free speech suits.

https://www.aclu.org/defending-our-rights/court-battles