Ex-Macomb County Boy Scout leader charged with sexually abusing 2 children

https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/michigan/2022/03/09/ex-macomb-county-boy-scout-leader-charged-with-sexually-abusing-2-children/

Maybe they should have been looking for pedophiles?

They are often married and would appear 'straight' which checks all the boxes the Scouts cared about.

Maybe we should understand that predators are looking for openings to interact with children, and parents should step up and fill these leadership positions rather than adults with no kids in the troop.

Just now, The_Omega said:

Maybe we should understand that predators are looking for openings to interact with children, and parents should step up and fill these leadership positions rather than adults with no kids in the troop.

You think abusers are only childless men?

Just now, Paul852 said:

You think abusers are only childless men?

I think it's less likely with parents with kids in the troop, but nothing is foolproof.  Regardless, from my subjective perspective, most of these cases tend to be adults with no children in the troop.

1 minute ago, The_Omega said:

I think it's less likely with parents with kids in the troop, but nothing is foolproof.  Regardless, from my subjective perspective, most of these cases tend to be adults with no children in the troop.

You could be right, I honestly have no idea. I just know plenty of these creeps have children of their own.

1 minute ago, Paul852 said:

You could be right, I honestly have no idea. I just know plenty of these creeps have children of their own.

Yessir.  Unfortunately, you can't completely stop it, you just do the best you can.  

4 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

Yessir.  Unfortunately, you can't completely stop it, you just do the best you can.  

Terrifying. The fact that it's even a possibility is sickening.

46 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

Maybe we should understand that predators are looking for openings to interact with children, and parents should step up and fill these leadership positions rather than adults with no kids in the troop.

My wife thinks I'm insane because I'm immediately distrustful of someone who wants to spend time with other people's kids.  I don't trust any coaches or scout masters without their own kids on the team or in the troop.  I'm cynical I guess but my boys would never be left alone with them.

Chapman is accused of abusing the second victim, a family member of his, starting when the victim was 11 years old. "The abuse went on for years and often revolved around times that were designated as special opportunities for Chapman to spend time with the boy,” a press release reads Wednesday.

Chapman and his wife reportedly moved to New York state in 2007. The man is currently being held at a corrections facility in that state in connection with other child abuse charges, Nessel said.

 

POS, and the wife almost has to know.

2 hours ago, Shepard Wong said:

My wife thinks I'm insane because I'm immediately distrustful of someone who wants to spend time with other people's kids.  I don't trust any coaches or scout masters without their own kids on the team or in the troop.  I'm cynical I guess but my boys would never be left alone with them.

Yep.  Coached my step sons little league team, and when he didn’t want to play anymore they wanted me to keep coaching.  I declined, thought it would be weird coaching kids if one was not mine.

I don’t think there’s a gay gene so why would there be a pedophile gene

4 hours ago, Shepard Wong said:

My wife thinks I'm insane because I'm immediately distrustful of someone who wants to spend time with other people's kids.  I don't trust any coaches or scout masters without their own kids on the team or in the troop.  I'm cynical I guess but my boys would never be left alone with them.

As a coach and leader for my kids team... I want parents to stick around and be involved. Watch practice, learn what we're doing, because the kid isn't going to get any better unless they practice at home. So I want the parents involved. I am immediately distrustful of the parents who drop their kid off and I don't see them again until practice is over.

Don't ever leave kids alone with adults you don't know or trust. That's on the parent. Scouts follows things like buddy system and 2-deep leadership, so things like OP don't happen. Parents need to make sure they're following the rules, because the kids don't know the rules the adults must follow.

48 minutes ago, toolg said:

As a coach and leader for my kids team... I want parents to stick around and be involved. Watch practice, learn what we're doing, because the kid isn't going to get any better unless they practice at home. So I want the parents involved. I am immediately distrustful of the parents who drop their kid off and I don't see them again until practice is over.

What you said applies broadly.  Parents should be involved in their kids lives and keep up with what's going on in school.  It's not there to be a 6 hour babysitting service.

16 hours ago, Toastrel said:

Ex-Macomb County Boy Scout leader charged with sexually abusing 2 children

https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/michigan/2022/03/09/ex-macomb-county-boy-scout-leader-charged-with-sexually-abusing-2-children/

Maybe they should have been looking for pedophiles?

They are often married and would appear 'straight' which checks all the boxes the Scouts cared about.

If they weren't convicted or arrested before, how do you find them?  

10 hours ago, toolg said:

As a coach and leader for my kids team... I want parents to stick around and be involved. Watch practice, learn what we're doing, because the kid isn't going to get any better unless they practice at home. So I want the parents involved. I am immediately distrustful of the parents who drop their kid off and I don't see them again until practice is over.

Don't ever leave kids alone with adults you don't know or trust. That's on the parent. Scouts follows things like buddy system and 2-deep leadership, so things like OP don't happen. Parents need to make sure they're following the rules, because the kids don't know the rules the adults must follow.

In my experience coaching my kids teams, it was becoming more and more difficult to get parents to volunteer to do anything or stay for practices.  Even when they volunteered to bring drinks and oranges to games,  I brought them too because, quite often, those parents didn't show up or forgot.

6 minutes ago, birdman#12 said:

If they weren't convicted or arrested before, how do you find them?  

You don't.

Which is why banning gays did nothing to solve the problem.

13 hours ago, downundermike said:

Yep.  Coached my step sons little league team, and when he didn’t want to play anymore they wanted me to keep coaching.  I declined, thought it would be weird coaching kids if one was not mine.

same here. i was a league travel/dist commissioner for a while and because of unforeseen circumstances, had to coach an 10yr old team that my kid wasn't on. great kids, but very weird to me and never did it again. after me kids stopped playing i was done. 

the free time and not dealing with ahole parents any longer was like therapy. 

10 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

same here. i was a league travel/dist commissioner for a while and because of unforeseen circumstances, had to coach an 10yr old team that my kid wasn't on. great kids, but very weird to me and never did it again. after me kids stopped playing i was done. 

the free time and not dealing with ahole parents any longer was like therapy. 

That was the worst part, I coached these kids 1st through 3rd grade.  Obviously as a whole, not very good at baseball, but a couple kids stood out from the crowd.  I had one kids Dad always in my ear about his kid should do this, do that, bat leadoff, blah, blah, blah.  One day I had enough, explained to him that all kids play the same amount and play everywhere, I don't really care how good they are.  When he got all pissy, I told him "When Rick Williams shows up to see your kid play, then we can talk about a showcase of his talent, until then, I am playing all kids equally".  He asked who Rick Williams was, when I told him he was a scout for the Yankees, he stood their with a blank expression for a second, then walked away and didn't say ish to me the rest of the season.

2 hours ago, downundermike said:

That was the worst part, I coached these kids 1st through 3rd grade.  Obviously as a whole, not very good at baseball, but a couple kids stood out from the crowd.  I had one kids Dad always in my ear about his kid should do this, do that, bat leadoff, blah, blah, blah.  One day I had enough, explained to him that all kids play the same amount and play everywhere, I don't really care how good they are.  When he got all pissy, I told him "When Rick Williams shows up to see your kid play, then we can talk about a showcase of his talent, until then, I am playing all kids equally".  He asked who Rick Williams was, when I told him he was a scout for the Yankees, he stood their with a blank expression for a second, then walked away and didn't say ish to me the rest of the season.

yeah, there's a big difference between in-house and travel/dist. in-house is for everyone and for developing players. travel/dist is cut throat. 

i coached my older son from t-ball through 15yr old ball. i was lucky to have great parents for the most part. being a commissioner though, i had to deal with parents yelling about the coach of their team because their kid couldnt play their fav position. im sorry, but you're kid literally cant catch the ball, i dont think playing 1st base and catcher are good ideas. 

2 hours ago, birdman#12 said:

In my experience coaching my kids teams, it was becoming more and more difficult to get parents to volunteer to do anything or stay for practices.  Even when they volunteered to bring drinks and oranges to games,  I brought them too because, quite often, those parents didn't show up or forgot.

Yeah. I feel that. Even I was reluctant to step up at first. But my kid was in T-Ball, they were hurting for coaches so bad they said they'd have to combine teams; like 15-20 kids on each team. Besides hitting and running the bases, the only action in the field is playing pitcher and first base because most little kids can't hit further than that. There's nothing worse than a bunch of little kids standing around with nothing to do. So I took on a team.

Luckily I've had mostly good parents. Enough to bring snacks to all the games. But there's always a few that don't step up. I try to help those kid as best I can, but by the end of the season  it is inevitable their teammates grow more. I volunteer there to teach, because I want a good experience for my kid. I'm not there to babysit. 

 

On 3/9/2022 at 4:36 PM, Toastrel said:

Ex-Macomb County Boy Scout leader charged with sexually abusing 2 children

https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/michigan/2022/03/09/ex-macomb-county-boy-scout-leader-charged-with-sexually-abusing-2-children/

Maybe they should have been looking for pedophiles?

They are often married and would appear 'straight' which checks all the boxes the Scouts cared about.

Check their bedrooms for Michael Jackson posters before hiring them.

Jussie Smollett didn't kill himself........