27 minutes ago, hputenis said:

That would be Belichick........and he's also proved that he's not the best at drafting.  

The Pats don’t go out and raid free agency often, but they do occasionally make moves. Certainly can’t say say at this point Howie has proven to be better consistently than the Pats. 

3 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

The Pats don’t go out and raid free agency often, but they do occasionally make moves. Certainly can’t say say at this point Howie has proven to be better consistently than the Pats. 

That's very true Howie isn't anywhere near Belichick at this point and probably never will be either. Mind you I guess not many are. 

4 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

That's very true Howie isn't anywhere near Belichick at this point and probably never will be either. Mind you I guess not many are. 

Well it helps when said GM is also one of the greatest coaches in history and gets to hand pick his players. I'm definitely not giving Howie a pass but, some of these players I feel were not always coached up properly

Patriots cheat end of story. Stop holding them up like some great franchise they're a bunch of lowlifes.

1 hour ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Well it helps when said GM is also one of the greatest coaches in history and gets to hand pick his players. I'm definitely not giving Howie a pass but, some of these players I feel were not always coached up properly

Oh I agree. Howie is certainly one of the better GMs in a lot of aspects but I think Lurie needs to ensure that greater help is given during the draft. Howie doesn't have a great record when it comes to the draft.

10 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

The Pats don’t go out and raid free agency often, but they do occasionally make moves. Certainly can’t say say at this point Howie has proven to be better consistently than the Pats. 

Do you even know anything about the Patriots?

1) Their draft record is abysmal, especially when it comes to the WR position. In the time that Belichick has been head coach, the only WR they drafted that was worth anything was Dieon Branch.

2) Their poor drafts are always supplemented by FA. While they prefer lower end free agents, they do go after high ends ones all the time (Stephon Gilmore for example)

3) They will trade draft picks all over the place to get players that they fill fit. In 2017 they only had 4 draft picks and their first pick was in round 3. That is because they traded all their picks for Kony Ealy, Brandin Cooks and Dwayne Allen. The same year they spent a ton of money in FA.

4) The Patriots thrive on bringing in players from other teams that have under performed or have worn out their welcome on other teams and getting them to fit into their system. They use their team as kind of the last bastion of hope for players in hopes it will work out for them. For players like Randy Moss it worked out where as Antonio Brown it did not.

5) Where I think the Patriots excel at better then any other team is knowing when to let a player go. Too many times teams hang onto players past their prime for sentimental value, especially the Eagles, which is where Howie fails. I love Brandon Graham, but they should have let him walk in FA.

The Patriots have been good because of 2 important reasons - they have had consistency at the HC and QB position, which are the two most important position on the team and Bill Belichick is very good at being able the separate his head coaching duties and general manager duties, while at the same time understanding what his team needs and getting the right players for it.

It is very, very difficult to separate the HC and GM positions and do both of them well, which is why most teams do not do that. Look at Bill O'Brien - the moves he has made as GM have been appalling. It is because he can not remove himself from being the head coach in the decisions that he makes. He needs a left tackle? Over spend for an OK one. Best WR in the league makes you mad by asking for more money? Send him off for a bag of beans and a broken RB.

47 minutes ago, Shocker54 said:

Yo yoooo you get Clowneys and den da Adam and you be gotten da illest defense in da league you know? Damn smh

🤣

I just wish he would sign somewhere so we can lock this up.

8 hours ago, pallidrone said:

Do you even know anything about the Patriots?

1) Their draft record is abysmal, especially when it comes to the WR position. In the time that Belichick has been head coach, the only WR they drafted that was worth anything was Dieon Branch.

2) Their poor drafts are always supplemented by FA. While they prefer lower end free agents, they do go after high ends ones all the time (Stephon Gilmore for example)

3) They will trade draft picks all over the place to get players that they fill fit. In 2017 they only had 4 draft picks and their first pick was in round 3. That is because they traded all their picks for Kony Ealy, Brandin Cooks and Dwayne Allen. The same year they spent a ton of money in FA.

4) The Patriots thrive on bringing in players from other teams that have under performed or have worn out their welcome on other teams and getting them to fit into their system. They use their team as kind of the last bastion of hope for players in hopes it will work out for them. For players like Randy Moss it worked out where as Antonio Brown it did not.

5) Where I think the Patriots excel at better then any other team is knowing when to let a player go. Too many times teams hang onto players past their prime for sentimental value, especially the Eagles, which is where Howie fails. I love Brandon Graham, but they should have let him walk in FA.

The Patriots have been good because of 2 important reasons - they have had consistency at the HC and QB position, which are the two most important position on the team and Bill Belichick is very good at being able the separate his head coaching duties and general manager duties, while at the same time understanding what his team needs and getting the right players for it.

It is very, very difficult to separate the HC and GM positions and do both of them well, which is why most teams do not do that. Look at Bill O'Brien - the moves he has made as GM have been appalling. It is because he can not remove himself from being the head coach in the decisions that he makes. He needs a left tackle? Over spend for an OK one. Best WR in the league makes you mad by asking for more money? Send him off for a bag of beans and a broken RB.

Results wise the Pats have been better even if that means they cheated as well. Bottom line for me is we hear everyone talk about how bold Howie is, but in truth he isn’t that bold. I give hm all the credit in the world for the SB team and how he exploited some teams to go and get Wentz. Getting a first for Bradford was also next level stuff, but since then it hasn’t exactly been like he’s made a lot of great moves. 

19 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

The Pats don’t go out and raid free agency often, but they do occasionally make moves. Certainly can’t say say at this point Howie has proven to be better consistently than the Pats. 

Fair enough, but nobody can.  However, using the signing of Cam for 1 million to make your point is weak weak weak.

11 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Well it helps when said GM is also one of the greatest coaches in history and gets to hand pick his players. I'm definitely not giving Howie a pass but, some of these players I feel were not always coached up properly

I am not trying to say that Pederson has earned Belicheat status yet, but I give him a lot of credit for doing the best he can for whatever Howie gives him. Chip Kelly and Howie had a falling out, because he didn’t like the players Howie gave him. Doug needed some playmakers especially at wide receiver last season and Howie gave him a useless pass rush guy. The year before he needed backs and he got Adams and Smallwood. He also needed an outside receiver threat and he got him another slot guy. Sometimes Howie makes things harder and not easier. 

3 minutes ago, MediterraneanDiet said:

Fair enough, but nobody can.  However, using the signing of Cam for 1 million to make your point is weak weak weak.

My point is they find ways to get things done and Howie used to find ways to get things done. 

13 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

 

My point is they find ways to get things done and Howie used to find ways to get things done. 

We'll see how well they get things done now that they have begun the post-Brady era....

On 6/28/2020 at 9:59 PM, EazyEaglez said:

Not patting the Pats GM on the back, but how many SBs they have won compared to Roseman??? With that being the case Howie’s suspect drafting has more to do with the Eagles salary situation right now than anything, because he’s been forced to compensate in free agency and trades to overcome his mistakes. I think putting Howie in the top three at this point isn’t realistic. Top five is a stretch. 

I can ask how many has Belicheck, the GM, won without the greatest QB of all time?  

How many has Belicheck, the GM, won with a QB of Foles stature?  (not sure if backup QB is the right term here)

You ask the same question from Roseman's point of view and now Belicheck is on the other end of the stick. 

I understand the Pats have won a ton, more than anyone else, and probably more than we'll ever see again, but let's not pretend that Belicheck hasn't been forced to "compensate in free agency and trades to overcome his mistakes" as well.  The Patriots draft record is nothing to brag about, and could possibly be worse than the Eagles.  

17 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Results wise the Pats have been better even if that means they cheated as well. Bottom line for me is we hear everyone talk about how bold Howie is, but in truth he isn’t that bold. I give hm all the credit in the world for the SB team and how he exploited some teams to go and get Wentz. Getting a first for Bradford was also next level stuff, but since then it hasn’t exactly been like he’s made a lot of great moves. 

Results wise the Pats are the greatest team in NFL history, a run that will probably never be matched in our lifetime. Even with that said, they have had a ton of missteps and screw ups along the way.

That tells me that no team is perfect. Every FA signing, every draft pick, every coaching move, each and every single one of them is a roll of the dice.

I think the thing that really matters is stability at the most important positions (HC, GM, QB), respect between the front office and the players/coaches, the willingness to have some out of the box thinking and a crap load of luck on your side.

Howie is fine in my book. I dont agree with some of his moves (Trading for Tate, bringing Graham back, Alshon's contract) but for the most part he his gambles have paid off and when they have not he has been able to manage to make adjustments.

While I was taken back with the Hurts pick, that is the kind of out of the box thinking I want my GM to have. Give me the guy that teeters on being a genius or a fool over the guy that just does the same thing over and over again.

I haven't kept up on this thread... was an offer ever confirmed or was it just rumor?

12 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

I haven't kept up on this thread... was an offer ever confirmed or was it just rumor?

Unless I missed something on here or on Twitter, I don't believe anything has ever been confirmed. Just rumors.  

This far out him getting offers for "near what he expected" (the original rumor posted) seems highly unlikely.

On 7/6/2020 at 6:24 PM, VaBeach_Eagle said:

I haven't kept up on this thread... was an offer ever confirmed or was it just rumor?

The latest rumour I saw was today and apparently he wants to play for phily or at least likes the idea of it 

54 minutes ago, Walkdawalk said:

The latest rumour I saw was today and apparently he wants to play for phily or at least likes the idea of it 

He would like to play for any team that will pay him 25 mill a year. 

On 6/28/2020 at 9:59 PM, EazyEaglez said:

Top five is a stretch. 

So is this happening or are you guys just clowning around? 

6 hours ago, What The F said:

So is this happening or are you guys just clowning around? 

He's not coming to Philly no. 

9 hours ago, What The F said:

So is this happening or are you guys just clowning around? 

Ha

On 6/29/2020 at 12:51 PM, Bwestbrook36 said:

Well it helps when said GM is also one of the greatest coaches in history and gets to hand pick his players. I'm definitely not giving Howie a pass but, some of these players I feel were not always coached up properly

True, but he is responsible for who he puts as coaches. If they don't work out that is on him.

Anyone see Baldi’s tweet? I wonder who he could be talking about. 

2 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Anyone see Baldi’s tweet? I wonder who he could be talking about. 

I'd hazard a guess it's not Clowney.