3 minutes ago, SNOORDA said:

He is obviously bias on this issue.   Because he doesn’t have or have plans to have kids.  But if he did he would completely change his tune and rightfully so

just like if he was poor he wouldn’t tell people not to be so poor

but at the end of the day our children are our future and legalizing prostitution down nothing but make society a dark place where people (especially women of course) born into unfortunate circumstances suffer greatly 

 

I have two kids. If porn is legal so should prostitution. Porn is probably easier to tax, that's probably why it's legal.

I say that finding the thought of paying for sex absolutely repulsive. Even strippers are disgusting IMO.

4 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

I have two kids. If porn is legal so should prostitution. Porn is probably easier to tax, that's probably why it's legal.

I say that finding the thought of paying for sex absolutely repulsive. Even strippers are disgusting IMO.

Are your kid(s) girls? Do you know just how dark a path you’re talking about walking? There really isn’t a word In our vocabulary to describe the place we are discussing actually making legal. 
 

I have a daughter.  And I don’t EVER want her to know such a thing exists. 

1 minute ago, SNOORDA said:

Are your kid(s) girls? Do you know just how dark a path you’re talking about walking?

Yes she's 11. And I don't agree it's a "dark path" as far as my kids are concerned. Like most issues, there are pros and cons to it being legal just as there are to it being illegal, and both have been presented in this thread for the most part.

There are a lot of things I don't want my kid to do.  That doesn't give me the right to ban others from doing it.

21 minutes ago, SNOORDA said:

He is obviously bias on this issue.   Because he doesn’t have or have plans to have kids.  But if he did he would completely change his tune and rightfully so

just like if he was poor he wouldn’t tell people not to be so poor

but at the end of the day our children are our future and legalizing prostitution down nothing but make society a dark place where people (especially women of course) born into unfortunate circumstances suffer greatly 

This country doesn’t need anymore legal vices or unhealthy freedoms. 

I have kids, two girls to be specific, and yes I absolutely agree that having kids changes your views on a lot of things. And yes, the gender of the kids probably is a factor as well.

I often wondered if I had boys whether I'd be as bent out of shape about things like that infamous Gillette commerical a couple years ago. As it were, I didn't really think it was as outrageous as others here seemed to indicate. I saw it as pandering and a bit contrived, but not completely missing the mark that sometimes the subtle things we say and do can result in a culture that eagerly brushes off or justifies improper behavior.

All that being said, having girls didn't turn me into a Quaker over night. I still think people should be able to consume marijuana in the comfort of their own home. I still think people should be able to watch porn in the comfort of their own home. And I also think two consenting adults should be able to agree to have sex in private as long as it's fully consensual, there's no form of coercion (chemically, physically, or mentally), and both are doing so in a safe manner to prevent unwanted pregnancy and limit transmission of disease. That there's money exchanged doesn't really raise the bar to "omgz, this is extremely damaging to society and thus must be illegal forever" in my eyes. 

3 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

There are a lot of things I don't want my kid to do.  That doesn't give me the right to ban others from doing it.

Yeah that's kinda where I'm at. Hell, I'd prefer my kids not do a lot of the stuff I have done or do.

15 minutes ago, SNOORDA said:

Are your kid(s) girls? Do you know just how dark a path you’re talking about walking? There really isn’t a word In our vocabulary to describe the place we are discussing actually making legal. 
 

I have a daughter.  And I don’t EVER want her to know such a thing exists. 

You don't want your kids to know it exists? How about weed, alcohol, or sex in general. 

Do you have DARE posters plastered on their wall? 

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I have kids, two girls to be specific, and yes I absolutely agree that having kids changes your views on a lot of things. And yes, the gender of the kids probably is a factor as well.

I often wondered if I had boys whether I'd be as bent out of shape about things like that infamous Gillette commerical a couple years ago. As it were, I didn't really think it was as outrageous as others here seemed to indicate. I saw it as pandering and a bit contrived, but not completely missing the mark that sometimes the subtle things we say and do can result in a culture that eagerly brushes off or justifies improper behavior.

All that being said, having girls didn't turn me into a Quaker over night. I still think people should be able to consume marijuana in the comfort of their own home. I still think people should be able to watch porn in the comfort of their own home. And I also think two consenting adults should be able to agree to have sex in private as long as it's fully consensual, there's no form of coercion (chemically or mentally), and both are doing so in a safe manner to prevent unwanted pregnancy and limit transmission of disease. That there's money exchanged doesn't really raise the bar to "omgz, this is extremely damaging to society and thus must be illegal forever" in my eyes. 

 

1 minute ago, DaEagles4Life said:

You don't want your kids to know it exists? How about weed, alcohol, or sex in general. 

Same. Someone mentioned edibles before looking like candy. My top nightstand drawer full of chocolates, lollipops, all kinds of stuff. My kids know where they are and what they are. They also know they are completely off limits and I've never had an issue. Firearms, I own three. They also know all about them, and both kids have fired all three weapons, with the exception of my girl firing shotgun. She is very, very small for her age.

1 minute ago, Boogyman said:

 

Same. Someone mentioned edibles before looking like candy. My top nightstand drawer full of chocolates, lollipops, all kinds of stuff. My kids know where they are and what they are. They also know they are completely off limits and I've never had an issue. Firearms, I own three. They also know all about them, and both kids have fired all three weapons, with the exception of my girl firing shotgun. She is very, very small for her age.

 

As a parent it's my job, not a teacher or a sex ed class, to talk to my child about these things, how they affect them, the dangers, and everything in between. No subject is out of bounds and nor should it be. Thinking you can hide your children from these things or not talk about them is the wrong approach. 

22 minutes ago, SNOORDA said:

Are your kid(s) girls? Do you know just how dark a path you’re talking about walking? There really isn’t a word In our vocabulary to describe the place we are discussing actually making legal. 
 

I have a daughter.  And I don’t EVER want her to know such a thing exists. 

She's gonna be really bummed out when she finds out about murder, and bank robberies, and getting vaccinated in Florida. All things that are very illegal and unbeknownst to her thus far.

3 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

 

As a parent it's my job, not a teacher or a sex ed class, to talk to my child about these things, how they affect them, the dangers, and everything in between. No subject is out of bounds and nor should it be. Thinking you can hide your children from these things or not talk about them is the wrong approach. 

Agreed. All hiding these things from kids does, in most cases, is make them more interested in them.

13 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

 

As a parent it's my job, not a teacher or a sex ed class, to talk to my child about these things, how they affect them, the dangers, and everything in between. No subject is out of bounds and nor should it be. Thinking you can hide your children from these things or not talk about them is the wrong approach. 

Especially in today's digital world. I'm gonna hide the fact prostitution exists when both my kids have cell phones and access to the internet, in a world where other kids are probably calling their mom a "Ho" everytime they get in an arguement while playing an online game? Ridiculous notion IMO. That's akin to driving around LA with a truck full of expensive tools pretending thievery doesn't exist.

1 hour ago, SNOORDA said:

He is obviously bias on this issue.   Because he doesn’t have or have plans to have kids.  But if he did he would completely change his tune and rightfully so

just like if he was poor he wouldn’t tell people not to be so poor

but at the end of the day our children are our future and legalizing prostitution down nothing but make society a dark place where people (especially women of course) born into unfortunate circumstances suffer greatly 

This country doesn’t need anymore legal vices or unhealthy freedoms. 

As someone who works in a house of sin, I can assure you that banning things does not make them go away. If anything, banning vices pushes them towards people of a lower socio economic class, which then makes those people more vulnerable to getting entangled in those things. 
 

You’re on the road to hell, and it’s paved with your good intentions. 

1 hour ago, SNOORDA said:

Are your kid(s) girls? Do you know just how dark a path you’re talking about walking? There really isn’t a word In our vocabulary to describe the place we are discussing actually making legal. 
 

I have a daughter.  And I don’t EVER want her to know such a thing exists. 

When your daughter goes off to college, you’re in a for a big surprise. 

Hookers are legal in Germany and they had a woman running the country unlike this sexist country. It’s up to the parent and the girl to decide what path they go down. 

2 hours ago, Boogyman said:

I have two kids. If porn is legal so should prostitution. Porn is probably easier to tax, that's probably why it's legal.

I say that finding the thought of paying for sex absolutely repulsive. Even strippers are disgusting IMO.

Can’t we just call porn prostitution? It’s a woman getting paid to have sex. 

1 minute ago, 20dawk4life said:

Can’t we just call porn prostitution? It’s a woman getting paid to have sex. 

No we can't, because porn is legal and prostitution is not.

Just now, Boogyman said:

No we can't, because porn is legal and prostitution is not.

It’s legal at the bunny ranch. I’m sure you need a permit or something for porn. 

5 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said:

It’s legal at the bunny ranch. I’m sure you need a permit or something for porn. 

I'm sure if you made a porn and called it prostitution you would get in trouble. But if you had a prostitute and made a porn with her it would be fine.

 

Yeah it makes no sense at all.

I can understand wanting to protect children from the reality of the horrors of human life, but at some point they have to go out and survive in the real world with all those horrors, so in the long run the best protection from them is preparation for them. 

 

12 hours ago, 20dawk4life said:

Hookers are legal in Germany and they had a woman running the country unlike this sexist country. It’s up to the parent and the girl to decide what path they go down. 

When there is a morality element to a political topic, I know I always look to the Germans to guide me 

2 minutes ago, paco said:

When there is a morality element to a political topic, I know I always look to the Germans to guide me 

We know they follow strict guidelines. 

10 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said:

We know they follow strict guidelines. 

Orders, some may say

3 minutes ago, paco said:

Orders, some may say

You could word it that way or you could word it another way. 

Just now, 20dawk4life said:

You could word it that way or you could word it another way. 

Those are the two options

You can definitely tell that paco has become a girl dad - and he’s the most caring and protective father and I appreciate that. 
 

I am not a libertarian and I do think it’s okay for society to draw a line in the sand on what we deem as acceptable. Women are far more exploited and damaged by sex work than men. It’s inherently dangerous. Even legalized women with poor educations, learning disabilities, addictions, and histories of abuse will be exploited by the nature of this "profession”. Its often touted as two consenting adults but that’s not really the reality in most cases. Pimping is an abusive and disgusting imbalance of power whether you wrap it up in a pretty bow and call it legal or not. Even as independent contractors most women will end up in a dangerous and damaging situation. I think paco’s point is he doesn’t want society to put it’s blessing on it regardless of what you personally teach your children.. maybe some things should remain so disdainful that we don’t look the other way and let it happen. Besides what is this "regulation” that’s supposed to happen? I thought this libertarian attitude was to keep the government and regulation out of things? 
 
No matter what you see on reality shows about the bunny ranch or women who are intelligent who strongly favor legalized prostitution, there is a much larger underbelly to this that isn’t glamorized and will not go away with legalization. You’re simply desensitizing society to accept the practice. Maybe we can have some standards as a whole and slow down this trend of everything being deemed acceptable and inclusive because I don’t think it’s making us better as a society. If you’re worried about prostitutes being afraid to report crimes maybe have some sort of amnesty policy and friendly and supportive police departments for when that does occur - doesn’t need to be legalized for this to happen.