March 18, 20223 yr Just now, Boogyman said: I only played for 2 years and then the first kid came and I stopped. These kinds of thoughts are why I have not gone back to it, buts it gets more tempting every spring. Ha! I play 30-40 rounds a year regularly. I’d play double that if I lived down south. I’ve worked hard to get to a single digit handicap, but it could blow up at any minute 😂 1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said: Golf sucks. Fight me.
March 18, 20223 yr 12 minutes ago, paco said: Read: Video games and s*** posting. Because obviously you got nothing else going on if you keep bringing up brisket What's not fun about this? You seemed very confident in your abilities. I even picked a nice location for broke JT's like yourself. Just take the patco and jump on a bus. While you wait for me you can run around and collect crack rocks. BBQ does take up a lot of my time, yeah. Crack wouldn't do it for me, I despise smoke and smoking anything at all (except brisket, obviously).
March 18, 20223 yr 9 minutes ago, DBW said: Ha! I play 30-40 rounds a year regularly. I’d play double that if I lived down south. I’ve worked hard to get to a single digit handicap, but it could blow up at any minute 😂 I was just starting to really enjoy golf and "get it" when I stopped playing. I was working really long days at that time, and when the first kid came I just stopped. I always meant to start playing again. Bowling too, I was much better at that than golf.
March 18, 20223 yr Just now, Boogyman said: I was just starting to really enjoy golf and "get it" when I stopped playing. I was working really long days at that time, and when the first kid came I just stopped. I always meant to start playing again. Bowling too, I was much better at that than golf. Kids ruin everything 😂. Seriously though, make time for yourself. We can sometimes forget that we have wants and needs to. Always make room to take care of yourself. I play hockey 2-3x a week, golf, go to the gym, etc. I’m sure you can spare an hour or two for bowling (pun intended).
March 18, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, DBW said: Kids ruin everything 😂. Seriously though, make time for yourself. We can sometimes forget that we have wants and needs to. Always make room to take care of yourself. I play hockey 2-3x a week, golf, go to the gym, etc. I’m sure you can spare an hour or two for bowling (pun intended). Oh I definitely could. I play a lot of basketball, I was in a rec league and now that I moved away from that I found a group that plays regular games down here. I work out almost every day. I definitely plan on bowling in leagues again. Golf I'm more on the fence about, not sure I really care enough to open that can of worms again. I'm building an ax throwing range in the back in a couple weeks with some old work friends.
March 18, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, DBW said: Can’t they just push the start of work back to 9am? The philly schools are doing that so this won’t mean they go to school in pitch black. In theory that would be a fantastic idea, but every time we've ever talked about the possibility of starting the school day later it has been met with phenomenal amounts of resistance. The primary reasons quoted for the resistance are the impact that it has on competitive athletics and on the ability of students to get as many hours as they want at after school jobs. I would be very happy if they went to full time daylight savings time and then shifted the start time for school in the winter time- basically, you could just shift the start time for school when you would normally have shifted to standard time and then go in the other direction when you normally would've shifted to daylight savings time, only it would give you the option of gradually shifting the time instead of making full 1 hour jumps. You could start the first week in November and shift the schedule 15 minutes a week until you had shifted the start time an hour later. So, say the student schedule at school started at 7:45 and ended at 2:45, then you'd shift to 8-3 the next week, 8:15-3:15 the next week etc. until you get to 8:45-3:45. If schools and businesses are willing to shift their start times, this could be an awesome change, but if they aren't it could be problematic for some.
March 18, 20223 yr 45 minutes ago, NothingClever said: In theory that would be a fantastic idea, but every time we've ever talked about the possibility of starting the school day later it has been met with phenomenal amounts of resistance. The primary reasons quoted for the resistance are the impact that it has on competitive athletics and on the ability of students to get as many hours as they want at after school jobs. I would be very happy if they went to full time daylight savings time and then shifted the start time for school in the winter time- basically, you could just shift the start time for school when you would normally have shifted to standard time and then go in the other direction when you normally would've shifted to daylight savings time, only it would give you the option of gradually shifting the time instead of making full 1 hour jumps. You could start the first week in November and shift the schedule 15 minutes a week until you had shifted the start time an hour later. So, say the student schedule at school started at 7:45 and ended at 2:45, then you'd shift to 8-3 the next week, 8:15-3:15 the next week etc. until you get to 8:45-3:45. If schools and businesses are willing to shift their start times, this could be an awesome change, but if they aren't it could be problematic for some. That’s actually a solid idea and solution. My wife is a teacher as well. She wouldn’t want to start later and then be there later but having the extra daylight to extend the afternoon and evening activities would help, and as you describe if it’s gradual then it fits with the lifestyles of today but with the extra daylight. I like it.
March 18, 20223 yr 3 hours ago, Boogyman said: Doing things more fun than work? Oh, and I wake with the sun most days, I go to sleep whenever. Don't forget the sammiches, bish.
March 20, 20223 yr 13 hours ago, paco said: Nope. Not going to make a teacher joke. Well, it wouldn't pertain to me. I work two jobs, Paco. I'm just trying to give them the basics so some of these kids stand a fighting chance. I also started doing some volunteer coaching for the freshman football team last year, so I'm not the lazy schlep you'd like to make me out to be.
March 20, 20223 yr 20 hours ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Most manufacturing plants would need four shifts. There is barely enough labor for 3, especially skilled and semi skilled labor. You think goods are getting hard to come by now, try shutting down every factory for 6 hours a night.
March 20, 20223 yr 24 minutes ago, Boogyman said: Most manufacturing plants would need four shifts. There is barely enough labor for 3, especially skilled and semi skilled labor. You think goods are getting hard to come by now, try shutting down every factory for 6 hours a night. It obviously couldn't apply toward every single job, just something worth considering. Factories are becoming heavily automated, but they could consider cycling workers in more frequent shifts and spread labor out more. There are a few European countries considering reducing the amount of hours or days worked. Even the original 8-hour workday was advocated for with arguments about increasing worker productivity and loyalty.
March 20, 20223 yr 27 minutes ago, Boogyman said: Most manufacturing plants would need four shifts. There is barely enough labor for 3, especially skilled and semi skilled labor. You think goods are getting hard to come by now, try shutting down every factory for 6 hours a night. Couldn’t they just overlap the 3 shift differently? There’s still only 24 hours in a day….just slide the shifts an hour or two to accommodate for the sun being up at 9 versus 8.
March 20, 20223 yr 25 minutes ago, DBW said: Couldn’t they just overlap the 3 shift differently? There’s still only 24 hours in a day….just slide the shifts an hour or two to accommodate for the sun being up at 9 versus 8. I was commenting on short work days.
March 20, 20223 yr 39 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: It obviously couldn't apply toward every single job, just something worth considering. Factories are becoming heavily automated, but they could consider cycling workers in more frequent shifts and spread labor out more. There are a few European countries considering reducing the amount of hours or days worked. Even the original 8-hour workday was advocated for with arguments about increasing worker productivity and loyalty. Having worked in manufacturing for a chemical plant and in pharmaceuticals, I can say shortening the day for most of those jobs just wouldn't work. My opinion anyway. For unskilled jobs you can always find pool's of labor from temp agency's or along those lines. But finding more skilled people like electricians, mechanic, or lab and chemical operators is impossible. There are not enough now, let alone finding 25 percent more people.
March 20, 20223 yr 47 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: It obviously couldn't apply toward every single job, just something worth considering. Factories are becoming heavily automated, but they could consider cycling workers in more frequent shifts and spread labor out more. There are a few European countries considering reducing the amount of hours or days worked. Even the original 8-hour workday was advocated for with arguments about increasing worker productivity and loyalty. Also, those jobs all pay hourly. So either the workers lose money, or the companies raise the hourly rate to compensate. And if the do the latter, the cost of labor goes up 25 percent across the board.
March 20, 20223 yr 18 minutes ago, Boogyman said: I was commenting on short work days. Right….and you could still do that, overlap them, cover the 24hr work day and still have daylight on both sides of shifts for all workers. So his point of needing 4 shifts isn’t accurate.
March 20, 20223 yr 47 minutes ago, DBW said: Right….and you could still do that, overlap them, cover the 24hr work day and still have daylight on both sides of shifts for all workers. So his point of needing 4 shifts isn’t accurate. How? If you have three 8 hour shifts (24 hours) and they are shortened (I'd assume it would have to be to 6 hours?) You have 6 hours to make up, which in your new work day format would be another shift. Or am I missing something?
March 20, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, Boogyman said: How? If you have three 8 hour shifts (24 hours) and they are shortened (I'd assume it would have to be to 6 hours?) You have 6 hours to make up, which in your new work day format would be another shift. Or am I missing something? Dont a lot of factories work 9-10 hour shifts? I remember my dad working night shift at Ford and was always a 10 hr shift. I guess thats my error if that’s not the case.
March 20, 20223 yr 13 minutes ago, DBW said: Dont a lot of factories work 9-10 hour shifts? I remember my dad working night shift at Ford and was always a 10 hr shift. I guess thats my error if that’s not the case. In my experience, most 24 hour factory work is three 8 hour shifts. Nobody I've worked for would want to pay for overlap. Some do 12 hour shifts, where you work 3 days 1 week, 4 days the next and they call them A and B shifts or whatever. It's possible your fathers factory ran 2 shifts and shut down for a few hours? Where I worked and we made the product itself, in some areas an operator could run a few mixers, and some you needed one person per mixer. And then you needed at least one mechanic and electrian. The packaging lines needed multiple machine operators per line, and each line needs an adjustment mechanic. Then you have 3 shifts of lab operators to test the batches, and other types of support. During covid when it was real bad, a lot of lines didn't run each day, and that's why shelves were empty. Anyway...shortening the work day would crush manufacturing in my opinion.
March 20, 20223 yr 9 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: Didn't they already try this like 50 years ago and people hated it? Yes in the 70s. car crashes were up, especially in the times people went to work in pitch black.
March 20, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Boogyman said: In my experience, most 24 hour factory work is three 8 hour shifts. Nobody I've worked for would want to pay for overlap. Some do 12 hour shifts, where you work 3 days 1 week, 4 days the next and they call them A and B shifts or whatever. Where I worked and we made the product itself, in some areas an operator could run a few mixers, and some you needed one person per mixer. And then you needed at least one mechanic and electrian. The packaging lines needed multiple machine operators per line, and each line needs an adjustment mechanic. Then you have 3 shifts of lab operators to test the batches, and other types of support. During covid when it was real bad, a lot of lines didn't run each day, and that's why shelves were empty. Anyway...shortening the work day would crush manufacturing in my opinion. Yeah they definitely had A/B. Shifts when my dad did that too. Now he’s a nurse and did the 4 on 3 off 12 hour thing for a while. youre right though, shortening the day on a typical 8 hour shift would negatively impact production volumes.
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