March 25, 20223 yr 41 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said: when i got my volare(roadrunner), the first car i wanted to look at on the lot was a 76 cordoba, but it wouldnt start. lol this was my 2nd car, only difference was mine had the dodge star for the side windows. my dad handed it down to me and yes, it instantly became a spicolli van. several times i looked out of galaxy at roosevelt mall to see a ton of smoke coming out the roof vent. it was also fun to use in the park at night because the philly pd was using dodges for paddy wagons back then. nothing better then revving up and putting your high beams on to light a keg party and see everyone tripping over themselves running away. Sweet rape van bruh
March 25, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, mikemack8 said: Sweet rape van bruh dont even go there, you said yes multiple times.
March 25, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Alpha_TATEr said: dont even go there, you said yes multiple times. Did you give him the free candy though?
March 25, 20223 yr 28 minutes ago, TV Guy said: Did you give him the free candy though? home made gummies.
March 27, 20223 yr I had a clunker Corolla but first real one was one of these. A 1988 Got one of these now
March 27, 20223 yr First car was a Rover Metro... Only lasted a few months before I got rid of it for a Citreon Saxo. Current car is a BMW 4 Series (2019)
March 28, 20223 yr 1986 Ford Tempo. Cost 300 bucks. Just got a new Outback before Christmas. I really enjoy driving it. This is the first car I have leased. I just used the stock photo but mine is the same color as the picture.
March 29, 20223 yr First car Chevy cavalier with about 230,000 miles on it lol Current 2019 Jeep Cherokee
March 30, 20223 yr On 3/24/2022 at 7:23 PM, binkybink77 said: No offense taken! Like I said I had a visceral reaction to them at first. My dad raised me as a Mustang girl - his first car was a 65 coupe that I now own the hood to and I am obviously a huge fan of Mustangs and Fords in general. I also felt that way about electric cars. Our neighbors last year would have theirs plugged in and I’d mock it to paco - of course it was some little shitbox. Once we decided to get solar panels and paco started talking about being able to charge a car for free I said I would only agree if we could get a Mustang. Lo and behold they make an electric Mustang and it works for us with having a baby because it’s an SUV On 3/24/2022 at 7:57 PM, paco said: Not gonna lie. I’m looking forward to virtually never going to a gas/charging station again* *Yes we will still have the explorer. And yes, long trip with the mustang will need to stop at one. But this is our main getting around car and we won’t drain the battery most days. You'll have to share your thoughts when it comes in. I've always been opposed to all electric as someone whos historically done a lot of annual driving and long-range trips, but I did have a Hybrid for 4 years that I enjoyed and bought a plug-in hybrid back in November. After 16ish months now in MN and realizing any travel that's more than 100mi away will pretty much always be by plane or rental car, I'm more and more leaning towards all electric being a possibility. The MachE is one of the things that I am curious about and was considering this past Fall when I was "shopping" but availability is so scarce and I wasn't going to buy/order something without being able to test drive first.
March 30, 20223 yr 8 minutes ago, Agent23 said: You'll have to share your thoughts when it comes in. I've always been opposed to all electric as someone whos historically done a lot of annual driving and long-range trips, but I did have a Hybrid for 4 years that I enjoyed and bought a plug-in hybrid back in November. After 16ish months now in MN and realizing any travel that's more than 100mi away will pretty much always be by plane or rental car, I'm more and more leaning towards all electric being a possibility. The MachE is one of the things that I am curious about and was considering this past Fall when I was "shopping" but availability is so scarce and I wasn't going to buy/order something without being able to test drive first. Will do. Please know, the cold absolutely KILLS the range of an EV. Quote How Temperature Affects EV Range "Why does my range drop when it’s cold?” is one of the most common questions we hear. While some drivers fear frigid winters and others must navigate fiery summers, nearly all EV owners have questioned the effect of temperature on their vehicles. This article is designed for a general audience, but we want to include some advanced battery bits for our more technical readers. We’ll be publishing some Battery 101 guides soon for people who want to learn more but, in the meantime, check out vehicle-specific battery guides for Tesla Model 3 and Chevrolet Bolt. What does cold weather do to EV range? Cold weather temporarily reduces EV battery range. AAA tested the range effects of 20F degree weather on several popular EVs and found that temperature alone could reduce range by 10-12%, while the use of in-vehicle climate control could amplify range loss to 40%. Idaho National Labs reported that cold weather can increase charging times by almost threefold, as seen in this chart by AutoBlog. Why does the cold affect lithium ion batteries? Cold weather slows the chemical and physical reactions that make batteries work, specifically conductivity and diffusivity, leading to: Longer charging time (increased impedance) Temporary reduction in range (lower capacity) which is why some vehicles have auxiliary batteries to support A/C and heating systems that would otherwise pull charge away from the primary battery Even though cold-related range effects are temporary, your battery should be above freezing before charging. Most vehicles do have some sort of temperature regulation in their battery management system (BMS) that will prevent high voltage or fast charging if the battery is too cold. In general, if your vehicle is turned on or plugged in, energy will be drawn to keep the temperature in a healthy range. The two outliers for this are Nissan Leaf, which only has thermal regulation kick on when the temperature is below -20C (-4F), and Tesla, which will activate thermal management even if the vehicle is off or not plugged in. This temperature regulation protects your battery health, but can also cost you some range. Science behind charging in cold weather: lithium plating Please note that the section below describes the physical processes that scientists have observed in individual lithium ion cells. Contemporary electric vehicles have battery management systems that should prevent this sort of long-term damage to your battery, but if in doubt, avoid supercharging or high voltage charging when your battery is below freezing. Lithium plating is a metallic build up at the negative battery node (the anode, where the energy goes during charging). In short, cold weather makes ions flow through battery cells more slowly, causing lithium to build up outside the node and turn into an inert metal. This metal disrupts the future flow of energy and uses up some of the lithium that is supposed to power the battery. In single cell observations, this can lead to a decrease in power and range. If you’re interested in a little more detail: battery anodes are made of materials, like graphite, that have lattice-like structures. This is important because when a battery charges, lithium ions move from the cathode into the anode and are stored in this grid-like structure. This process is called intercalation. Force (in this case, current) is needed to push the ions into the anode and lodge them in the grid. If this process happens when it is cold out, the ions enter the anode more slowly and the build up of lithium outside can form a metallic plating. Some of these ions will gradually enter the anode over time, but some will remain plated outside, permanently reducing capacity and increasing internal battery resistance. Remember: your car’s computer systems should pre-heat your battery and slow the charge until it is safe to charge normally. On the other hand, even when it’s very cold, you can use an already charged lithium ion battery worry-free. You’ll notice short term reduced range since the cold weather inhibits ion flow, but there is likely no long term damage. What does heat do to my EV battery? Temperature is known to have a big influence on the rate of Li battery degradation. One of the main reasons that it is so critical is because temperature affects the rate and efficiency of chemical reactions inside a battery. Higher temperatures, (or higher voltages - but that’s another article), generally lead to faster reactions. This often means that the "unwanted” chemical reactions that make batteries degrade happen faster at higher temps. If you want to get into the nerdy specifics, high temperatures negatively affect the Solid Electrolyte Interphase (SEI) - a layer of inactive lithium that forms on the anode surface. The SEI is made up of lithium salts that react with the electrolyte solvent and become inert. Unlike lithium plating, this layer is a necessary evil: while it does use up some of the lithium available to the battery, but also makes the electrolyte stable enough to last and helps protect the anode from corrosion. This protective layer forms quickly when the battery is first used and its formation explains the sudden drop in capacity seen in new batteries. To clarify: this layer is not the same as lithium plating. The SEI is permeable to the lithium ions that make the battery work but impermeable to the electrolyte. The problem is that high heat can affect the composition and organization of the protective SEI layer, triggering reactions that use up too much active lithium or creating inert compounds that prevent ions from flowing freely. The exact way that the heat degradation mechanism works is different for batteries at rest, batteries charging, and batteries being cycled. The heat effects also differ between specific battery chemistries. In most cases, though, higher temps will lead to faster degradation. What happens when I store my EV in the heat? Batteries will degrade in the heat. A process known as "calendar aging” refers to battery degradation that happens regardless of use. It is largely due to growth in the protective layer around the anode (SEI). At high temperatures, reactions happen faster and its protective structure can degrade. The physical reason that heat causes faster degradation is because ions and other battery particles move through this layer via diffusion, which is directly correlated to temperature. Heat increases the rate of chemical reactions so much, secondary reactions may also occur at high temperatures, creating new inert compounds and increasing impedance, according to studies by Vetter et al. What happens when I charge my EV in the heat? High temperatures can damage batteries during charging. High temperatures increase the effective force of the electric current that drives lithium ions from one node of the battery to the other, causing physical stress and damage on the receiving end. The higher the temperature - or the higher the current - the more stress fractures and damage the battery node experiences. All these little fissures and cracks become surfaces for secondary reactions, using up available lithium and creating compounds that hinder the free flow of energy. Again, we can be a little more technical for those who are curious. Intercalation, discussed above, is necessary to make a lithium ion battery work, but does cause physical stress to anode. When you charge at higher temperatures, the lithium ions intercalate more forcefully, often generating small cracks and fissures. This creates new surfaces for chemical reactions between the anode and the available lithium, mainly new areas for extra SEI growth. Any additional reactions use up lithium and lead to capacity fade. Additionally, if all the ions can’t find storage within the anode grid, they may get stuck outside the anode and undergo chemical reactions that create inert substances, including lithium plating. Both of these effects can increase the internal resistance of the battery and lower its available power.
March 30, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, paco said: Will do. Please know, the cold absolutely KILLS the range of an EV. He'll have the 2.5 months where it's above freezing in MN though
March 30, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, mikemack8 said: He'll have the 2.5 months where it's above freezing in MN though I was just talking about the -16 F degree day I had in Minnesota. Then COVID shut down travel for that project. So I guess you can say 2020 was pretty awesome.
March 30, 20223 yr Author 23 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said: First car Chevy cavalier with about 230,000 miles on it lol looks like the vehicles i'm finding for my kid...the only ones i can find for under $10k.
March 30, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, paco said: Will do. Please know, the cold absolutely KILLS the range of an EV. My current car is listed as ~14mi EV. My work commute is 4.7mi or so on 45mph road (literally a straight shot on a single road once I exit the street my townhouse is on). In the sub-zero portion of the last few months, I was lucky to get 6-7mi before the entire battery was basically depleted... I'm sure running heat, heater wheel, and heated seats didn't help pulling a lot of amps. Half the time the car wouldn't even use the battery and had a warning on the screen about the low temps. In the past 2 weeks where its been warm (some days up to like 60), I do my work commute all on EV and my battery level looks like its still showing 80%+ range remaining. My first 3 months of ownership I think I filled my tank 3 times, usually getting around 400mi of total range off a 12-gal tank. The past few weeks I've driven 300 something miles (I'll have to check when I get back in the car after work), my gas tank I think is still just over 1/2 full, an my remaining gas-only range is showing as 145mi on my App. So I'll probably get in the 550-600mi range off a single tank of gas. I had a friend visit this week, so I did 2 trips to the airport (picking them up and dropping them back off) and went to IKEA and Mall of America (both next to the airport) with them, so those 3 trips are at least 50+ miles round trip, where most of it is on gas... so that killed my range. I was at close to 250mi of total trip with my gas gauge still between 7/8 and Full before going to pick them up.
March 30, 20223 yr 8 minutes ago, mr_hunt said: looks like the vehicles i'm finding for my kid...the only ones i can find for under $10k. Suprisingly, that damn car still went another 10,000 or so till the transmission gave out
March 30, 20223 yr 30 minutes ago, Agent23 said: I'm sure running heat, heater wheel, and heated seats didn't help pulling a lot of amps I always burn way more gas during the winter than the summer because of this. I absolutely hate the effing cold. I'll remote start my car and let it sit the full 15 min before I'll even get in and then have it set up to have the heated seats and steering wheel at full blast lol. I'll get about 280 miles on a full tank of gas in the winter and that jumps up too 375 during the summer that's how terrible I am with the effing cold!
March 30, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Agent23 said: My first car was this badboy. 1992 Buick Century 2018 BMW 530e at present Everyone should own a Buick at some point in their lives or they ain't living! My second car was a Buick LeSabre. Thing was a giant green beast!
March 30, 20223 yr 14 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said: I always burn way more gas during the winter than the summer because of this. I absolutely hate the effing cold. I'll remote start my car and let it sit the full 15 min before I'll even get in and then have it set up to have the heated seats and steering wheel at full blast lol. I'll get about 280 miles on a full tank of gas in the winter and that jumps up too 375 during the summer that's how terrible I am with the effing cold! I think winter gas gets worse mileage than summer gas too - combine that with warming up the car and everything else and yeah, it's noticeable
March 30, 20223 yr 22 minutes ago, mikemack8 said: I think winter gas gets worse mileage than summer gas too - combine that with warming up the car and everything else and yeah, it's noticeable Hmm, didn't know about the winter gas thing. I do notice depending on where I get my gas it burns a bit better than others.
March 30, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Bwestbrook36 said: Everyone should own a Buick at some point in their lives or they ain't living! My second car was a Buick LeSabre. Thing was a giant green beast! My Buick was great! I only got rid of it because I wanted to be baller with the 7-passenger V-8 Durango. That thing had so many electrical issues and $90 to fill the tank in 2009ish when gas skyrocketed that after about 2 years I flipped it for an Impala lol 1 hour ago, Bwestbrook36 said: I always burn way more gas during the winter than the summer because of this. I absolutely hate the effing cold. I'll remote start my car and let it sit the full 15 min before I'll even get in and then have it set up to have the heated seats and steering wheel at full blast lol. I'll get about 280 miles on a full tank of gas in the winter and that jumps up too 375 during the summer that's how terrible I am with the effing cold! Gas is worse too, but my EV range feels like it’s almost half in the brick cold, mainly because I think so many heating elements are running to drain the EV battery even when stationary. on my earlier topic, looks like I’ve eclipsed 450mi since my last fill up (12ish gallon tank). Lost track with a friend in town. Still showing 152mi gas range remaining, so with daily plug ins i might get somewhere in the 700-800mi range driven on one tank!
March 30, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, Agent23 said: My Buick was great! I only got rid of it because I wanted to be baller with the 7-passenger V-8 Durango. That thing had so many electrical issues and $90 to fill the tank in 2009ish when gas skyrocketed that after about 2 years I flipped it for an Impala lol Gas is worse too, but my EV range feels like it’s almost half in the brick cold, mainly because I think so many heating elements are running to drain the EV battery even when stationary. on my earlier topic, looks like I’ve eclipsed 450mi since my last fill up (12ish gallon tank). Lost track with a friend in town. Still showing 152mi gas range remaining, so with daily plug ins i might get somewhere in the 700-800mi range driven on one tank! Yo! That's impressive... I should of held off on the jeep and went at least hybrid... Oh well, next car hopefully!
March 30, 20223 yr Agent: FYI - Because electric motors don't have gears, the faster you go, the quicker the battery drains
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