I’m not surprised by it. They let Barnett test free agency, the market he expected wasn’t there, and we got him back for cheaper than he probably wanted. I agree with the $5m or less per year as a good signing, and we don’t have to press for a DE in the draft. If one of the top DE’s is there at 15 we take him. If not… we take BPA or trade back.

I 100% agree with the idea that we want a roster without any glaring holes going into the draft to prevent a reach pick.

15 minutes ago, MidMoFo said:

I’m not surprised by it. They let Barnett test free agency, the market he expected wasn’t there, and we got him back for cheaper than he probably wanted. I agree with the $5m or less per year as a good signing, and we don’t have to press for a DE in the draft. If one of the top DE’s is there at 15 we take him. If not… we take BPA or trade back.

I 100% agree with the idea that we want a roster without any glaring holes going into the draft to prevent a reach pick.

I wonder why?

8 minutes ago, Eaglesfandan said:

I wonder why?

Because he’s not a 10m per year DE… he’s a 5m per year de until he cuts down on penalties and improves his sack numbers.

2 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said:

 

 

 

As you all say, this depends on the numbers, but if they are good, Barnett is actually a solid starting DE who is still young. He's coming off a bad year, but he can absolutely be a solid 6-8 sack guy as part of a rotation and his sack numbers will hopefully be why we got him so cheap.

For me, let's sign another safety (Mathieu or Edmonds), then go DT, CB and WR/LB in the first and then WR or LB in the second. TE in the third and all of a sudden the team starts to look a lot better.

I’m not in favor of investing that high of a pick in a backup TE

6 hours ago, Procus said:

Let's see what the numbers come in at.  He hasn't lived up to expectations, but there is a lot to be said for continuity and having players familiar with the system and franchise.  If the team drafts an edge rusher, things could open up for Barnett.

Yes - it likely is a cheap, team friendly structure.  The Eagles always fill positions of need with cheap veterans on short prove-it deals to take some pressure off drafting to fill needs. I’m ok with this if it’s under $4 MM per year and has some flexibility to get out of it early.  

5 hours ago, time2rock said:

lol ...ummm NO.  Thats ridiculous.  

If I'm the Eagles I might think "I want Travon Walker",  and they might have wanted Ojabo, but they don't want to spend on whatever else is left at 19.   Maybe they want Davis, Walker and DB at 19.   And maybe they like a number of different DBs,  maybe both a CB and a S, if one of their preferred DEs is not available. 

3 hours ago, T-1000 said:

Exactly. I wanted no parts of Barnett back before the offseason because I thought a 25 year old former 1st round pick pass rusher would get 3 or 4 years at 10 million plus per season.

Two days ago a buddy were talking and we both said if you can bring him back on a reasonable deal its smart. Then you dont have to force a reach pick at DE in round because the Ojabo injury changea things.

Too many people look at things in black and white and dont understand how fluid situatuons can be. In recent weeks Walker has flown up draft boards, Ojabo tore his achilles, and Barnett was still available on a week 2 free agency rate. Do I love this deal, hell no, I dont even like it. That said for 5 million or less per season it makes sense.

Or the obajo injury and the Barnett signing allow us to pick up Obajo for our second round pick and let him sit on the bench for a year.  I like that scenario. 

4 hours ago, downundermike said:

I started a spreadsheet March 10th last year.  That date we had 136 million in 2024 cap space, after all of last years restructuring, void years and other crap, and the maneuvering this year, we currently have 67 million in 2024 cap space.  I don't know about you, but I do not see 69 million in 2023 cap space worth of talent that we have added to the roster since March 10th of last year.

Well, if Hurts improves this year and we have to give him a long term contract in 2023, we might have another $30 - $40 MM against the 2024 cap…..

 

Howie is the worst. 

 

 

 

 

 

8 hours ago, T-1000 said:

Hes also the same guy who drafted Smith, Dickerson, and Williams last year and admitted to a new draft approach. I see you left that part out though because it didnt suit your narrative.

I left that part out because it's the outlier at this point. Just like the SB winning season doesn't make him a good GM because it is the outlier.

Is this what Howie meant when he said he needs to get more talent? 

9 hours ago, Random Reglar said:

If I'm the Eagles I might think "I want Travon Walker",  and they might have wanted Ojabo, but they don't want to spend on whatever else is left at 19.   Maybe they want Davis, Walker and DB at 19.   And maybe they like a number of different DBs,  maybe both a CB and a S, if one of their preferred DEs is not available. 

I like Walker quite a bit and am hoping for Booth with our 3rd pick on day 1 (if we make all 3).  Perhaps we trade down some to pick up a pick in 2023 and take Booth later than 19 - that would be ideal.

14 hours ago, philafan4o8 said:

I agree that this gives the Eagles more flexibility to not draft a DE in first round. Just draft BPA. Outside of the top 2 DEs I dont see any of the other being worth of top 20 maybe sides the Purdue player

 

14 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

See I think it's more an acceptance that one of those top 3/4 guys aren't going to be there. I think they have made this move on the basis that they don't think they can get a DE in the first round without it being a reach. 

Aidan Hutchinson, Kayvon Thibodeaux, Travon Walker, and Jermaine Johnson are all top 15 guys, especially with Ojabo out of the first round. Even if they couldnt get any of these guys in the first round, I would still prefer drafting a Drake Jackson in the 2nd round and starting him over Barnett. I dont think it would be hard for a rookie to at least match Barnett's production.

Ugh.

45 minutes ago, time2rock said:

I like Walker quite a bit and am hoping for Booth with our 3rd pick on day 1 (if we make all 3).  Perhaps we trade down some to pick up a pick in 2023 and take Booth later than 19 - that would be ideal.

That would be nice - we have to get players like him and we have to get an extra 1st or second for next year.  

We were 31st in regular season sacks last year and so far we've cut and re-signed and re-signed the two guys who played the most defensive snaps at DT and DE respectively.

 

25 minutes ago, UndyTaker said:

 

Aidan Hutchinson, Kayvon Thibodeaux, Travon Walker, and Jermaine Johnson are all top 15 guys, especially with Ojabo out of the first round. Even if they couldnt get any of these guys in the first round, I would still prefer drafting a Drake Jackson in the 2nd round and starting him over Barnett. I dont think it would be hard for a rookie to at least match Barnett's production.

I liked Drake Jackson a lot, but he isn’t a DE like the others. He is an Edge guy much like Reddick. Before we signed Reddick I could see going for Jackson but I can’t see them split time now even though we pretty much have zero depth at the SAM position.

16 hours ago, T-1000 said:

What a bunch of cry baby drama queens. It's week two of free agency so his price probably came down significantly. Barnett is ok and still only 25 and with Ojabo's injury it puts them in a position where they don't have to force a DE if nobody is there at 15. If they paid him 10 million a year I will be right there complaining, but if they got him him on a bargain it's a decent move.

Why? He makes more bad plays than good. 

Just trolling us at this point smh.

5 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I left that part out because it's the outlier at this point. Just like the SB winning season doesn't make him a good GM because it is the outlier.

Right, so you are a stereotypical Roseman basher who doesn't give him credit for the good things he has done, but shouts from the rooftops about his mistakes.

SB winning GM,....nah that doesn't count because he only did it once.  As far as last year's draft, it was not the outlier so you would be factually incorrect. In 2018 with only 5 picks Howie ended up with Mailata, Goedert, Sweat, and Maddox.

You can't have it both ways, but clowns like you sure as hell try.

Meh, I know Barnett's not anyone's favorite player, but he's not really as awful as he's being made out to be in here. Indications are he's back on a cheap, two-year deal. I'd still be shocked if we don't come away with another pass rusher early in the draft. This is a move to ensure we won't be putting all of our eggs in the basket of a 33 year old coming of an achilles tear. 

50 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Meh, I know Barnett's not anyone's favorite player, but he's not really as awful as he's being made out to be in here. Indications are he's back on a cheap, two-year deal. I'd still be shocked if we don't come away with another pass rusher early in the draft. This is a move to ensure we won't be putting all of our eggs in the basket of a 33 year old coming of an achilles tear. 

Graham's 34 in 9 days and as much as I love the guys career here and it will be weird to see the Eagles start a season without him when it does happen, the fact that he is still here at all after an Achille's rupture is further testament to Howie's cap mastery, he carries a $26.5mill dead cap hit, we can't designate him as a June 1st cut because we have used both of those already and we can't restructure him any more because any salary above vet minimum was already pro rated to the max 5 years last March, he has void years in his contract to 2026. Even if he hangs them up at the end of 2023 season his retirement will cost us $10million dollars in 2024.

I still think we take a DE in round 1 too, but I still don't think Barnett was worth bringing back.