1 hour ago, T-1000 said:

Right, so you are a stereotypical Roseman basher who doesn't give him credit for the good things he has done, but shouts from the rooftops about his mistakes.

SB winning GM,....nah that doesn't count because he only did it once.  As far as last year's draft, it was not the outlier so you would be factually incorrect. In 2018 with only 5 picks Howie ended up with Mailata, Goedert, Sweat, and Maddox.

You can't have it both ways, but clowns like you sure as hell try.

Didn't say that. I gave him credit for last year's draft but I'm not going to have high expectations for this year because his track record suggests that he's not a very good talent evaluator. He gets credit for the trade back last year and rightly so. But they are a lot more blips than positives.

2 hours ago, UndyTaker said:

 

Aidan Hutchinson, Kayvon Thibodeaux, Travon Walker, and Jermaine Johnson are all top 15 guys, especially with Ojabo out of the first round. Even if they couldnt get any of these guys in the first round, I would still prefer drafting a Drake Jackson in the 2nd round and starting him over Barnett. I dont think it would be hard for a rookie to at least match Barnett's production.

I personally dont see it with those other players you mentioned. I do agree that Drake Jackson in the 2nd is great value with high upside

Suuuuppppeeeerrrrr Boooowwwwwllllzzzzzzz!!!!

Now that we released him and signed him, he contains a completely different set of expectations. Instead of a disappointing first round pick, he's a good depth piece.

10 hours ago, time2rock said:

I like Walker quite a bit and am hoping for Booth with our 3rd pick on day 1 (if we make all 3).  Perhaps we trade down some to pick up a pick in 2023 and take Booth later than 19 - that would be ideal.

yeah.   what the eagles might do is trade down if players they really like aren't there.  Let's say the Eagles like Booth, too.   15 and 16,  Davis and Walker,  yes, take them,  19, Booth, yes, take him,  but if those guys are taken already,  trade down.

 

The message they're sending here is they don't hold players accountable for under performing.  (JJAW and Reagor so far remain on the roster.)  Barnett has been a disappointment and everyone knows his issue with penalties, to the point that Siri was caught on camera saying "It's always him" in frustration.

He's signed just for depth?  Graham is too old and coming off injury so if they don't draft a quality DE in the 1st round to be a day 1 starter, Barnett might be a day 1 starter not depth.  Unless Graham is ready to go.  

With the draft capital they have and the talent in this draft class, they should be able to take advantage and draft a top DE in the 1st round and potentially add another DE in a later round to solidify the position for years.  Will be interesting to see what this means for the draft.

1 hour ago, matchew88 said:

Now that we released him and signed him, he contains a completely different set of expectations. Instead of a disappointing first round pick, he's a good depth piece.

Is he good depth considering how many times he seemed to rack up penalties? Don’t care of his draft status or even his costs, because a guy who is more likely to get a late hit penalty than get a sack is a detriment regardless. 

29 minutes ago, NOTW said:

The message they're sending here is they don't hold players accountable for under performing.  (JJAW and Reagor so far remain on the roster.)  Barnett has been a disappointment and everyone knows his issue with penalties, to the point that Siri was caught on camera saying "It's always him" in frustration.

He's signed just for depth?  Graham is too old and coming off injury so if they don't draft a quality DE in the 1st round to be a day 1 starter, Barnett might be a day 1 starter not depth.  Unless Graham is ready to go.  

With the draft capital they have and the talent in this draft class, they should be able to take advantage and draft a top DE in the 1st round and potentially add another DE in a later round to solidify the position for years.  Will be interesting to see what this means for the draft.

JJAW is making like $1.5m to be a special teams player and a blocking receiver. 

If they cut Reagor they have to pay him $11m to play somewhere else, or they can pay him $3.5m for this season, and get rid of him after without losing as much money. 
 

it’s not sending a message, it’s making sound financial decisions while you’re still paying so much in dead money. 
 

Derek Barnett’s terms haven’t been disclosed, so we’ll see how good or bad that deal is. He’s 25 years old and gets pressure. Is he perfect? Nope. BG wasn’t too good his first contract either. 
 

 

19 minutes ago, NOTW said:

The message they're sending here is they don't hold players accountable for under performing.  (JJAW and Reagor so far remain on the roster.)  Barnett has been a disappointment and everyone knows his issue with penalties, to the point that Siri was caught on camera saying "It's always him" in frustration.

He's signed just for depth?  Graham is too old and coming off injury so if they don't draft a quality DE in the 1st round to be a day 1 starter, Barnett might be a day 1 starter not depth.  Unless Graham is ready to go.  

With the draft capital they have and the talent in this draft class, they should be able to take advantage and draft a top DE in the 1st round and potentially add another DE in a later round to solidify the position for years.  Will be interesting to see what this means for the draft.

I want to see what happens with JJAW and Reagor after the draft. They could be pawns in a potential draft trade or could be let go if they land replacements. Their stpries are still be written. Barnett's numbers are likely going to be inconsequential and that in and of itself is holding him accountable. It could turn out we get some real value. If not I doubt much will be lost. It's not like you can just throw away players and expect to find and/or afford suitable upgrades in every case.

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

The message they're sending here is they don't hold players accountable for under performing.  (JJAW and Reagor so far remain on the roster.)  Barnett has been a disappointment and everyone knows his issue with penalties, to the point that Siri was caught on camera saying "It's always him" in frustration.

He's signed just for depth?  Graham is too old and coming off injury so if they don't draft a quality DE in the 1st round to be a day 1 starter, Barnett might be a day 1 starter not depth.  Unless Graham is ready to go.  

With the draft capital they have and the talent in this draft class, they should be able to take advantage and draft a top DE in the 1st round and potentially add another DE in a later round to solidify the position for years.  Will be interesting to see what this means for the draft.

I’ll be surprised if JJAW is on this team come September.  Reagor will most likely get another year only because he was a recent high pick (Howie hoping this will be the year he turns things around and makes it look like it was a smart pick to save face for his horrendous drafting).  Guessing they brought Barnett back on what was likely (hopefully) a super cheap deal which does kinda make sense since we are thin at the position and Graham is coming back from a significant injury (Barnett is a cheap insurance policy).  Hopefully we use one of our day 1 picks on another DE (and honestly I think it would be wise to take advantage of a strong DL class and grab a 2nd edge rusher with another pick) such that it makes Barnett expendable (maybe they find a trade partner before the trade deadline or next offseason and get a mid round pick for him).  

1 hour ago, GoEagles614 said:

JJAW is making like $1.5m to be a special teams player and a blocking receiver. 

If they cut Reagor they have to pay him $11m to play somewhere else, or they can pay him $3.5m for this season, and get rid of him after without losing as much money. 
 

it’s not sending a message, it’s making sound financial decisions while you’re still paying so much in dead money. 
 

Derek Barnett’s terms haven’t been disclosed, so we’ll see how good or bad that deal is. He’s 25 years old and gets pressure. Is he perfect? Nope. BG wasn’t too good his first contract either. 
 

 

With Reagor that makes sense. He has another year to prove himself or get cut. JJAW should've been cut last year. Barnett should not have been re-signed. 

41 minutes ago, NOTW said:

With Reagor that makes sense. He has another year to prove himself or get cut. JJAW should've been cut last year. Barnett should not have been re-signed. 

You don’t know the terms to say he shouldn’t be resigned. If it’s a 2 year deal that’s extremely team friendly, he can be a rotation guy. Maybe there’s a 1-year out. This fan base operates from a very unique outlandish POV sometimes.

JJAW as a receiver is a good blocker and plays good ST. Good value for $1.5m. 

7 minutes ago, GoEagles614 said:

You don’t know the terms to say he shouldn’t be resigned. If it’s a 2 year deal that’s extremely team friendly, he can be a rotation guy. Maybe there’s a 1-year out. This fan base operates from a very unique outlandish POV sometimes.

JJAW as a receiver is a good blocker and plays good ST. Good value for $1.5m. 

They just signed Pascal who is known for blocking but a better receiver. Hopefully they've learned and will cut JJ-AWFUL. 

Without the combo of draft capital + this DE draft class maybe keeping Barnett is ok for depth. I'd rather move on from a DE who has more penalties than sacks and draft 2 DEs this year. 

9 minutes ago, GoEagles614 said:

You don’t know the terms to say he shouldn’t be resigned. If it’s a 2 year deal that’s extremely team friendly, he can be a rotation guy. Maybe there’s a 1-year out. This fan base operates from a very unique outlandish POV sometimes.

JJAW as a receiver is a good blocker and plays good ST. Good value for $1.5m. 

I'd love to see the teams some of these wannabe GMs would field....no depth....broke in the out years. They probably can't even manage their own fiances. They're the ones that would win the lottery and end up filing for bankruptcy a few years later.

I could out GM Howie while being drunk on the job…

13 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

I could out GM Howie while being drunk on the job…

I don't see how you could be any worse!

1 hour ago, Thing3 said:

I'd love to see the teams some of these wannabe GMs would field....no depth....broke in the out years. They probably can't even manage their own fiances. They're the ones that would win the lottery and end up filing for bankruptcy a few years later.

Bzzzz, wrong. Depth is obviously important. But you also let a bum who has more penalties than sacks and can't learn discipline to avoid penalties leave in free agency....then yes, you absolutely get depth in a great DE draft class with the draft assets to take one in the 1st then another mid-round (they have 3 picks in the 5th round) to add to Sweat and Graham.

By contrast, I like re-signing Boston Scott for depth. He's proven himself and isn't a F up.

1 hour ago, Thing3 said:

I'd love to see the teams some of these wannabe GMs would field....no depth....broke in the out years. They probably can't even manage their own fiances. They're the ones that would win the lottery and end up filing for bankruptcy a few years later.

We’d have Nick Foles on a 10-year $500m contract, throwing to Kelvin Benjamin and John Ross. With Teez Tabor getting torched as our starting CB. 

Playing devils advocate:

B.Graham first 5 seasons: 23.5 sacks (torn ACL rookie year) 

D. Barnett first 5 seasons: 21.5 sacks 

Everyone was calling Graham a bust as well and wanted him gone...not saying Barnett will turn it around but you never know. 

 

 

 

 

This could mean they might not be bringing back Graham.

15 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Is he good depth considering how many times he seemed to rack up penalties? Don’t care of his draft status or even his costs, because a guy who is more likely to get a late hit penalty than get a sack is a detriment regardless. 

According to someone on here the penalties are overblown! I'm sure you can guess who said that lol

14 hours ago, time2rock said:

I’ll be surprised if JJAW is on this team come September.  Reagor will most likely get another year only because he was a recent high pick (Howie hoping this will be the year he turns things around and makes it look like it was a smart pick to save face for his horrendous drafting).  Guessing they brought Barnett back on what was likely (hopefully) a super cheap deal which does kinda make sense since we are thin at the position and Graham is coming back from a significant injury (Barnett is a cheap insurance policy).  Hopefully we use one of our day 1 picks on another DE (and honestly I think it would be wise to take advantage of a strong DL class and grab a 2nd edge rusher with another pick) such that it makes Barnett expendable (maybe they find a trade partner before the trade deadline or next offseason and get a mid round pick for him).  

Pascal is the replacement of JJAW.  Barnett is the insurance at DE in case Graham is not ready to go.  Even if he is, Graham is in his last leg.

They should draft a DE in the first round to be the future starter.  Like that Walker guy, but he may be out of reach.  Saw a mock draft having us to trade with the Jets for the 10th pick.  That should give us a reasonable chance to draft a good DE.

11 hours ago, NOTW said:

Bzzzz, wrong. Depth is obviously important. But you also let a bum who has more penalties than sacks and can't learn discipline to avoid penalties leave in free agency....then yes, you absolutely get depth in a great DE draft class with the draft assets to take one in the 1st then another mid-round (they have 3 picks in the 5th round) to add to Sweat and Graham.

By contrast, I like re-signing Boston Scott for depth. He's proven himself and isn't a F up.

I understand the criticism of Barnett and I'm still waiting on the terms. I could end up being just as frustrated with this signing as you and others. I highly doubt there was much of a commitment made here though and that we still look to upgrade. So much can happen between now and the start of the season. You can never rule out injuries or even Barnett improving. I suspect cutting him is not going to hurt much at all should they decide his services are not needed.

Signing him for 10 mill last year was a big dumb mistake. Barnett must have pictures.

Depth i guess. Hope hes cheap.