7 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

How many chances does it get? Infinite?

Until it wins a Super Bowl.

9 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said:

It's not that hard, they assign value to every pick based on rd and position, and then you tally up the totals and see how they shake out. Jimmy Johnson popularized the original one but newer charts have modified it based on what the modern draft related trades tended to reflect.

And part 2 in your scenario is where we lose the bulk of the value.

That’s all fine and well but over here in mock draft land I’ll say again: I would gladly trade down my first every single year to enjoy the added pick it just so happens that the world doesn’t give you opportunity to do so.

I liked the prospects potentially available this draft in our range but this deal makes this team better in the near future.   I’d be surprised if that Saints first isn’t better than our own too.

Got to tip your cap to Howie here. That's a great trade for the organisation. 

Its ok, fairly sensible, but doesn't OMG WTF me.

Also there are some great players available in this draft rounds 2-5 and we have plenty of picks in those. 

I have a feeling Howie isn't done yet though.

Reckon they'll trade up for a CB (stingley or sauce) and then pick davis or wyatt with the other 1st 

1 hour ago, rrfierce said:

Its ok, fairly sensible, but doesn't OMG WTF me.

Also there are some great players available in this draft rounds 2-5 and we have plenty of picks in those. 

I have a feeling Howie isn't done yet though.

Reckon they'll trade up for a CB (stingley or sauce) and then pick davis or wyatt with the other 1st 

Agreed.........It feels like Howie is getting his ducks in a row for a few draft day moves......plus he has the trade chips of Dillard and Minshew.  

4 hours ago, Green_Guinness said:

On a side note, clicking on the link to Walter Football's mock (it's for 2023, but find the link on that page to the 2022 mock dated today 4-4) by Charlie Campbell clearly shows he knows very little about the Eagles FO and MO when it comes to drafting. 

With pick #15 he has us taking LB Dean with DT/NT Davis still on the board.  Moron.  What decade did we last draft a LB in Round 1?  What century was it?  This FO doesn't leave a DL player like Davis on the board to go LB.  Ever.

Then at #18 he has us taking WR Williams, who apparently is so good that he gets drafted again just 4 picks later by NE.  Not kidding.  As of this post Williams is drafted twice just 4 spots later.  I'm sure that error will be corrected at some point, but how does he miss that?

At #51 he has us taking DE Paschal so we can convert him to a DT to replace Cox with DT Jones still on the board who many here believe have the Eagles logo stamped on his forehead.  BTW, DEs still on the board at #51:  Thomas, Carter, Ojabo, and Mafe.

At #83 he has us taking RB Spiller.  Yes, we need to add a younger Howard to our RB mix, so this isn't that far fetched, though I'd be surprised if they went RB before Day 3.

For pick #101 he has us taking QB Ridder.  I guess he doesn't understand why the Eagles made this trade to gain more draft capital for the 2023 draft.  This trade pretty much cemented that they're rolling with Hurts in 2022 and it's his sink or swim season and they're ready to go all-in on a QB in 2023 hoping there will be more quality than this draft.  The Eagles haven't been reported to show much interest in Ridder and while they've done the smoke screen thing with other positions, QB is not the position they keep their distance and don't do their full homework on.  If they were at all interested in Ridder then somewhere someone would have heard about it and reported it unless they snuck him in NovaCare the way the CIA sneaks people into their black sites.

For the final pick (only did up to the 4th Round) at #124 we're drafting LSU OT Austin Deculus.  Who?  Never heard of him.  Two other sites that do draft scouting reports grade him as a 7th Rounder/UDFA pick.  But good 'ol Charlie has us taking him in the 4th because we need OT depth.

This guy might talk to scouts to help get an idea where players might rank, but he either just doesn't know or take into consideration how certain teams' FOs/GMs do business and he's done that here with the Eagles.  This draft would suck for us.

 

If Ridder is actually there at 101 he'd probably be BPA at that point, most big boards have him 35-60 range, you can draft a QB 3rd round and still take a first rounder the next year if it doesn't work out, it's not like people will be looking at a QB picked 101 and going 'Eagles find their franchise QB', I wouldn't object to Ridder at 101, I expect a mid round QB.

2 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

If Ridder is actually there at 101 he'd probably be BPA at that point, most big boards have him 35-60 range, you can draft a QB 3rd round and still take a first rounder the next year if it doesn't work out, it's not like people will be looking at a QB picked 101 and going 'Eagles find their franchise QB', I wouldn't object to Ridder at 101, I expect a mid round QB.

Especially if they actually do trade Minshew..

9 hours ago, paco said:

May have been already posted but

 

 

Was way overthinking this ^^^^^ last night.....

 

...Does this telegraph both what the Eagles AND Saints plan on doing in the draft?   There is no way the Saints make a trade where the Eagles control both picks ahead of them unless they had some idea what each team is doing.  I think the general consensus is the Eagles will likely load up on defense (and maybe o line) this draft.  And while we know they arent going to share draft boards, how many stories have we heard when the draft is going down and team x calls team y about  a trade and team y asks what side of the ball were you thinking?  It's very possible that the Saints are thinking offense (WR and TE especially) and saw the Eagles as a perfect trade partner to execute.  Because now 2 teams virtually control a 5 pick block and you don't have to spend more draft capital to position yourself to get "your guy".  You insulated yourself by aligning with a team picking contrary to you and hope the Chargers don't F up your plans.

5 minutes ago, paco said:

Was way overthinking this ^^^^^ last night.....

 

...Does this telegraph both what the Eagles AND Saints plan on doing in the draft?   There is no way the Saints make a trade where the Eagles control both picks ahead of them unless they had some idea what each team is doing.  I think the general consensus is the Eagles will likely load up on defense (and maybe o line) this draft.  And while we know they arent going to share draft boards, how many stories have we heard when the draft is going down and team x calls team y about  a trade and team y asks what side of the ball were you thinking?  It's very possible that the Saints are thinking offense (WR and TE especially) and saw the Eagles as a perfect trade partner to execute.  Because now 2 teams virtually control a 5 pick block and you don't have to spend more draft capital to position yourself to get "your guy".  You insulated yourself by aligning with a team picking contrary to you and hope the Chargers don't F up your plans.

I think the Saints are going to move up again. I think the trade with us is just the start and they'll end up ahead of us. I mean sure they must know that we are not going to take players they are interested in but I think they are going after a QB.

1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I think the Saints are going to move up again. I think the trade with us is just the start and they'll end up ahead of us. I mean sure they must know that we are not going to take players they are interested in but I think they are going after a QB.

They could be going after a quarterback, but I think it’s going to come down to how the board plays out. They could be using that pick in hopes to land Jimmy G or Mayfield. It might not be to land a rookie. In the beginning they weren’t interested in a rookie quarterback. 

New item for the wish list:

Trade one of our 3 2nd round picks over the next 2 years to the Rams for their 2024 first rounder.   

 

Why

1) They piss away future first rounders like they grow on trees so they'll make the trade (and why we have to wait for 2024 because they don't have one in 22 and 23) to get picks now  

2) Looking at the team makeup, lack of high draft picks and their salary cap, there is a very, very good chance by then they will be baaaaaaaaaad.

 

 

32 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I think the Saints are going to move up again. I think the trade with us is just the start and they'll end up ahead of us. I mean sure they must know that we are not going to take players they are interested in but I think they are going after a QB.

Yep I agree, Packaging 16 and 19 to move up and take their choice of QB for sure. If Winston is the answer then somebody is asking the wrong question.

I like this... Rookie Qb + new coach + tough schedule should result in a top 10 pick in 2023

33 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

They could be going after a quarterback, but I think it’s going to come down to how the board plays out. They could be using that pick in hopes to land Jimmy G or Mayfield. It might not be to land a rookie. In the beginning they weren’t interested in a rookie quarterback. 

Yeah true there is that also. I'm not sure what they are going to do but I do think they are going to move up again. I don't think they make this move just to bring in a couple of good players through the draft.

11 hours ago, Road to Victory said:

A 2nd this year is basically worth a 1st next year. They gave up a 1st this year for basically the same pick plus a 3rd and future 2nd. I don’t see the value. I think they should’ve received at least 2 future 1’s for this year’s 1st. 

Exactly.  The 2023 pick is 2nd rd value, the 2024 pick is 4th rd value.  It's a lateral move for the Eagles, just spreading out the draft haul over more years.  But it's hard to make a case for the actual value Howie picked up.

5 minutes ago, MarkFrizzell said:

I like this... Rookie Qb + new coach + tough schedule should result in a top 10 pick in 2023

Can you imagine if we get a top 10 pick out of it. We will be in a great position to go and get a QB next year. If that is indeed the plan. 

I am very much hoping we trade back again to pick up another 2023 1st.

As much as I like the 1st Rd DLs and WRs, the ones likely available in RD2 aren't that much worse.

24 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I think the Saints are going to move up again. I think the trade with us is just the start and they'll end up ahead of us. I mean sure they must know that we are not going to take players they are interested in but I think they are going after a QB.

Looking at the contract they gave Winston I'm not convinced they are going QB, I struggle to believe they gave him a $14million signing bonus to have him back up a first round pick QB. Winston was pretty good there last year, best QBR of his career and nudging 5-1 TD to Int. through 7 games and beat Green Bay and Tampa, also drafting a QB would mean they're paying Dalton $3 million dollars to hold a clipboard?   

They need major help at Receiver and O Line, if they did move up again my bet would be to try and snag one of Neal, Ekwonu or Cross or they stay put and take Lindebaum and one of the WR's.

11 hours ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Jimmy Johnson draft pick value chart:

Saints got 1889 points

Eagles got 2418 points

Uhm, no.  Picks in future drafts have depreciated value, lost cost opportunity basically.  As a general rule of thumb, for every year in the future you deduct a rd.  So that 2nd rdr in 2024 is worth a 4th rd in 2022.

1 minute ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Looking at the contract they gave Winston I'm not convinced they are going QB, I struggle to believe they gave him a $14million signing bonus to have him back up a first round pick QB. Winston was pretty good there last year, best QBR of his career and nudging 5-1 TD to Int. through 7 games and beat Green Bay and Tampa, also drafting a QB would mean they're paying Dalton $3 million dollars to hold a clipboard?   

They need major help at Receiver and O Line, if they did move up again my bet would be to try and snag one of Neal, Ekwonu or Cross or they stay put and take Lindebaum and one of the WR's.

The saints are gutting their roster for the post Brees era.  They need to start putting together the future core now so they can be in place to add the FA's 2-3 yrs down the line.  They need multiple core pieces, i don't think it's about just getting a QB.

10 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Yeah true there is that also. I'm not sure what they are going to do but I do think they are going to move up again. I don't think they make this move just to bring in a couple of good players through the draft.

Yeah it certainly feels like they have a plan. Judging by their own seemingly belief that they’ve just a quarterback away in their pursuit for Watson made me think that they could be in the mix for one of these veteran guys and maybe they needed a little extra to sweeten the pot. I don’t think a rookie quarterback makes them better next season. 

2 hours ago, dawkins4prez said:

The saints are gutting their roster for the post Brees era.  They need to start putting together the future core now so they can be in place to add the FA's 2-3 yrs down the line.  They need multiple core pieces, i don't think it's about just getting a QB.

If that’s their plan then it seems like they would do the opposite of this move. It seems more likely they wouldn’t have been in on trying to get Watson, and they would desperately be trying to trade away the talent they have. They would have traded players away last year in the final year of deals and it makes no sense to resign Winston if that is their plans. Also consider that division. The only real competition there is the Bucs and they handled Brady twice last year. Giving up multiple draftpicks just to get an extra first this year doesn’t seem like a move a team looking to rebuild would do. 

What a strange trade without seeing who’s on the board first  

Trading out of the first for a 3rd, next year 1st, and next next year 2nd? 
 

Also the saints aren’t really bums. I’d understand if these moves were for a much lesser team, but we could be essentially trading down multiple times

There’s so much DL/WR/DB talent in this draft that I figured adding top 75 picks this year would be key, and hope to add some for next year.

 

10 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

Uhm, no.  Picks in future drafts have depreciated value, lost cost opportunity basically.  As a general rule of thumb, for every year in the future you deduct a rd.  So that 2nd rdr in 2024 is worth a 4th rd in 2022.

We all understand someone said these words once.

The questions becomes: Does what you just wrote make any sense, at all, to you? If someone just signed a 3-year extension, why is the opportunity cost declining?

1 minute ago, EazyEaglez said:

If that’s their plan then it seems like they would do the opposite of this move. It seems mor likely they wouldn’t have been in on trying to get Watson, and they would desperately be trying to trade away the talent they have. They would have traded players away last year in the final year of deals and it makes no sense to resign Winston if that is their plans. Also consider that division. The only real competition there is the Bucs and they handled Brady twice last year. Giving up multiple draftpicks just to get an extra first this year doesn’t seem like a move a team looking to rebuild would do. 

They had to let a lot of guys go this year.  I suspect guys like Thomas & Kamara will be moved as soon as they are healthy and they can afford the dead money.  Cap space issues have them so tied up they can't even move bad contracts right now.

3 minutes ago, SB52 said:

We all understand someone said these words once.

The questions becomes: Does what you just wrote make any sense, at all, to you? If someone just signed a 3-year extension, why is the opportunity cost declining?

Yes, it makes tons of sense.  2 years is an eternity in the NFL.  Rebuilds are 2-3 yr projects.  If you take 4 yrs like Cleveland did, your core players all need new contracts just as you become a contender.